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Federal police shot a homeless man living on national forest land. He's now suing. (www.yahoo.com)

submitted 1 year ago by wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee to c/thepoliceproblem@lemmy.world

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You can debate the need to arrest, but creating a ruse that ends up with the man being shot several times?

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[-] Birdlaw@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

This whole story seems like an outlier there aren't homeless people living in campers all over the US. It does seem sketchy about being plain clothes and the ruse they used. The largest factor though is as many people have pointed out on both sides, is he pulled and pointed a gun. You can argue all day that he didn't shoot and he was just defending his brother. Any person with any firearms training knows you don't point a gun unless you are willing to fire at whoever or whatever that is. A gun is a deadly weapon so as soon as someone points a gun at a person then they are threatening them. End of debate about that. Like I said the lead up to it is questionable but he would not have been shot if he didn't pull a gun which would imply he intended to shoot them. Just like most "questionable" police shootings. Why did the person pull a gun? They intended to use it. I'm so sick of the police brutality speech. Are there incidents of police brutality yes. They are actually few and far between. The vast majority are people with criminal records and then they pull a weapon on the police. It's amazing this is actually a story since he's white. Every year there are more white people shot by police than any other race but funny enough you don't hear about that. This obviously wasn't about race it was just a series of mistakes. In conclusion if you pull a weapon on police let alone a gun then why are you surprised you got shot.

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[-] danielfgom@lemmy.world -5 points 1 year ago

The earth belongs to God and He allowed man to freely live on it. The government has NO RIGHT to tell anyone to leave any piece of land not owned by anyone.

They can't use the excuse that it's owned by the government because the government is not a person and never paid for the land. In fact the government killed millions of Indians who were already living on the land and stole it from them.

Now they want to tell you it's their land. Pure evil.

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