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submitted 2 days ago by zerozaku@lemmy.world to c/privacy@lemmy.ml

(I know many of you already know it but this incident I experienced made me so paranoid about using smartphones)

To start off, I'm not that deep into privacy rabbit hole but I do as much I can possibly to be private on my phone. But for the rest of phones in my family, I generally don't care because they are not tech savvy and pushing them towards privacy would make their lives hard.

So, the other day I pirated a movie for my family and since it was on Netflix, it was a direct rip with full HD. I was explaining to my family how this looks so good as this is an direct rip off from the Netflix platform, and not a recording of a screening in a cinema hall(camrip). It was a small 2min discussion in my native language with only English words used are record, piracy and Netflix.

Later I walk off and open YouTube, and I see a 2 recommendations pop-up on my homepage, "How to record Netflix shows" & "Why can't you screen record Netflix". THE WHAT NOW. I felt insanely insecure as I was sure never in my life I looked this shit up and it was purely based on those words I just spoke 5min back.

I am pretty secure on my device afaik and pretty sure all the listening happened on other devices in my family. Later that day, I went and saw which all apps had microphone access, moved most of them to Ask everytime and disabled Google app which literally has all the permissions enabled.

Overall a scary and saddening experience as this might be happening to almost everyone and made me feel it the journey I took to privacy-focused, all worth it.

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[-] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 7 points 16 hours ago
  • A family member might have searched it
  • An ad network might have reported on your piracy (especially now with privacy sandbox)
  • Your media player might just be doing some tracking and/or insecure searching for metadata
  • Siri or something might have popped open
  • You googled to get to the piracy website
  • You may have just looked up the movie, and the movie was popular with pirates

Don't get too paranoid

[-] Ilandar@aussie.zone 31 points 1 day ago

Person in a privacy community using YouTube and multiple Google accounts thinks the only way they are being tracked is through phone microphones...you can't make this shit up.

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[-] otp@sh.itjust.works 37 points 2 days ago

Yet again, someone mistakes an anecdote for evidence. And evidence is also not the plural form of anecdote.

I'm sure we have people here who are tech-savvy enough to have actually examined the kinds of data that their phone is sharing.

If you have something like Google Home or Amazon Alexa, then yeah, those would be sending voice data back, and yeah, they could probably use it for advertising. But as far as I know, there is no evidence that phones are "always listening" and "always sending information back" when they're idle.

[-] ElectroLisa@lemmy.blahaj.zone 51 points 2 days ago

Most likely the website you pirated your movies from stored cookies in your browser which then were picked up by Google/YouTube.

[-] LodeMike@lemmy.today 30 points 2 days ago

That's not how that works. There were likely ads on the page which brings in Google cookies and shows the page the user is on.

OP make sure all third party cookies are blocked. They're not needed anymore.

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[-] Chozo@fedia.io 24 points 2 days ago

Listening to audio would be the least effective and most expensive method of data collection for advertisers. It's not happening. They already have literally over a million data points on you, there's nothing useful for them to glean from your audio that they don't already have ad nauseum.

You see thousands of ads and recommendations every day. You finally found one that was relevant to you. It's not that deep.

[-] scytale@lemm.ee 29 points 2 days ago

No, your phone doesn't listen to you 24/7. With that out of the way, there are a number of places where youtube may have gotten that info. One possibility is that someone in your household looked up the movie and maybe checked if stuff ripped from netflix is indeed full HD. And since everyone in your family is using the same NAT IP, then it's easy for youtube to target recommendations at everyone in that household.

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[-] donuts@lemmy.world 44 points 2 days ago
[-] Tehdastehdas@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

A phone can notice when it’s in the hands of a security expert and start acting normal. Before dieselgate, Volkswagen cars had been emissions tested for years without finding anything suspicious. Turned out VW used the car’s sensors to detect when it was being tested.

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[-] synapse1278@lemmy.world 32 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

This may be a simple coincidence. Maybe you had similar YouTube suggestions in the past but you didn't pay attention because they come at random times. Like if you drive a Honda Civic, you tend to spot all the Honda Civic in the street.

There would be an interesting experiment to make though:

  1. Take a snapshot of your YouTube recommandations
  2. Choose a subject that has nothing to do with any of the recommandations, let's say "travel to the Bahamas"
  3. Hold a conversation with someone with both your phone's present, mention several time going to the Bahamas.
  4. Check YouTube again, si if the topic of Bahamas is appearing.
  5. Choose another topic not covered by your recommendations, let's say collecting stamps
  6. Put your phones away, have a conversation about collecting stamps
  7. Check YouTube recommandations
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[-] Charger8232@lemmy.ml 25 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

First off, if you're concerned about phone privacy, consider a custom OS for your phone that respects privacy such as GrapheneOS.

It's easy to figure out that your device isn't listening to a constant audio stream 24/7, since that would drain battery and send a lot of noticeable data over the network. However, it is entirely possible to listen for certain keywords as you mentioned, and send them encrypted with another seemingly legitimate packet. There's no way to be 100% certain, but it is possible in theory without draining too much battery.

The steps you took are good, making sure that apps don't have any permissions they don't need. Privacy is a spectrum, so it's not "all or nothing". As I mentioned before, if you're seriously concerned about mobile privacy and want a solution, you can get a custom operating system that can remove any privacy invasive elements. GrapheneOS also allows you to disable the camera and microphone system-wide (although this functionality is present on some other Android builds).

If it eases you any, a lot of these advertisements happen to be coincidence and trigger confirmation bias. It could be that those ads happened to show up by coincidence, or that advertisers managed predicted your interests, or that you got tracked by some other means while downloading the movie. The possibilities are nearly endless.

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[-] bad_news@lemmy.billiam.net 10 points 2 days ago

It's possible that it's inferred off the digital footprint of you pirating the content, also. People freak out a lot about being listened to, but I'd argue that's an inefficient spying mechanism they probably don't lean heavily on if they can avoid it. We're all living on platforms that are knowably spying on everything you click on or read or do online and feeding that into giant AI models with everything about you. Like just by watching a pirated video on a Google TV device, Google's hashing that and phoning that data home, possibly even matching that to the specific file, and adding that to an ad profile.

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago

Reporter: [REDACTED]
Reason: BS

Maybe I should have removed this post, because it is ridiculous.

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[-] DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Root your phone and degoogle it if it doesn't have LineageOS image. If it does have LineageOS image, then flash it. Oh, and don't use Google and YouTube. Use Brave/Vivaldi for web search and Tubular for YouTube.

[-] zerozaku@lemmy.world 0 points 16 hours ago

Bruh Brave or Vivaldi? Those are not even the best options out there

[-] DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.ml 1 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Or anything else that isn't Google Chrome.

[-] zerozaku@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago

Yep I am not using that.

[-] foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago

I've seen a lot of people using Vivaldi as "private" browser. What is the point here?

[-] DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

Because it's one of the few browsers on Android that allow you to put your address bar down

[-] foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago
[-] DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.ml 1 points 16 hours ago

Firefox is okay but most websites break on it.

[-] foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 hours ago

I don't see any main website being broken due to firefox

[-] QuazarOmega@lemy.lol 3 points 15 hours ago

Most? Are you sure you didn't install some extensions that break your browsing?

[-] DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.ml 2 points 15 hours ago

I had uBO and Dark Reader installed.

[-] QuazarOmega@lemy.lol 2 points 5 hours ago

Those 2 might very well cause issues sometimes, you should try and fiddle around with their settings on the websites that complain, or outright whitelist them if nothing works and you want to use them, other times it really is the browser or even more often an artificial check of the user agent string (dick move on the dev's side), so if you spoof a Chromium browser it'll start working right away

[-] SanndyTheManndy@lemmy.kya.moe 1 points 19 hours ago
[-] Rolando@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago

The youtube algorithm determined the following: people who watch the kind of videos in your history, are also interested in recording netflix shows. And it was right, because you are in fact interested in that (general) topic. This is another possible explanation.

[-] xionzui@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 days ago

I’ve gotten ads for things I’ve just thought about. Never said anything out loud about or did any searches related to. It was something in a video I’ve watched dozens of videos about in the past. But on this occasion, I happened to think that I kind of want one for the first time. And I just so happened to start getting ads for them right after, also for the first time. They know way more about you than you think and don’t need to listen to you.

[-] ShortN0te@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 days ago

And how often. have you said stuff that you have not received advertising for? You will notice it when you get a positive match but not on a negative.

Data collecting companies can predict/rate your behavior for more then 20 years based. Since then. it has been perfected. They know that you are interested in those topics without having the need to waste resources on recording and analyzing every single audio stream.

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