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[-] Letstakealook@lemm.ee 21 points 1 day ago

Acknowledging reality is not the same thing as defeatism or "not doing anything." I'd argue that putting your head in the sand and ignoring news/information you don't like is more damaging and closely related to the majority of the world's efforts over the past 50+ years.

[-] ladicius@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yep.

One could also show the same meme template with stats where every bad development is even accelerating, spikes in co2-rise, record new numbers of consumption and pollution, the Amazon and other carbon sinks getting razed at growing speeds, a lot of carbon sinks turning into carbon emitters, nations voting for extremists who don't care for ecology, glaciers and sea ice melting, all sorts of storms getting stronger and more destructive, the speed with which we are approaching or already have reached tipping points globally and locally...

Yeah, but let's soothe ourselves with... cosmetics? I'm not denying that there's some positive changes but that's like trying to extinguish a house burning to the ground and engulfed in flames with one bucket of water.

My take is: People want to have a better world without changing their lifestyle - simply leave everything as it is and make it in some magical way non destructive and non polluting. EVs are a shining example of that - still ridiculous use of resources, but somehow they are "better".

If you think that way you are part of the problem and part of its denial.

[-] Letstakealook@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago

That is a good point about not wanting anything to change. We can not continue to live how we've lived if this will be solved. Reductions in population should help reduce demand and land use (enforced with law, of course), but some things people enjoy will have to go. You don't need to eat foods grown thousands of miles away or to eat beef every day. You may have to endure temperature discomfort, lose personal transportation options, etc. Even these things are small, government (especially militaries) and business will need to be held to account and have their emissions massively reduced.

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[-] LengAwaits@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago
[-] Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 5 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

One day I will die, and sooner than I wish. Maybe some effects of climate change will do me in. At least nobody can say I haven't done what I could to stop it. It's what I do for a living.

[-] Mandy@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

To be fair, as much as we should highlight the good news.
I wouldnt say It is defeatism to say there is a hell of a lot more bad stuff going, we should highlight the good stuff while recognizing we have a ways to go.

[-] el_abuelo@programming.dev 4 points 1 day ago

Eat right and do a little exercise every day and you don't have to be fat anymore.

[-] Brosplosion@lemm.ee 6 points 22 hours ago

I'm not fat, I'm just a natural carbon capture machine

[-] ClockworkOtter@lemmy.world 3 points 21 hours ago

Only if we sequester your corpse in a mine shaft

[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Today I was citing The Materialist Conception of History by Plekhanov and noticed that it had a huge spike in downloads this year. Gave me a spark of hope

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 day ago
[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago

Historical materialism which is an analysis of history through the lense of dialectical materialism which is the philosophical and scientific basis for Marxism. Essentially viewing history as a continuous development of the means of production motivated by societal contradictions. The focus is specifically on conflict that arises between the owning classes and the laboring classes of each historical mode of production.

I just smoked so this may not be the best explanation but its the best I got in me rn

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[-] BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee 1 points 16 hours ago

Solar is cheaper than ever? I mean sure, but you still have to pay for it upfront, and by the time you got your money back you need some new panels. Also i like solar power and everything, but i'm not at home during the day, so i would produce energy for no one. Or i'd get a big ass battery, which is super expensive and doesn't last as long as the panels. And no, where i live, you don't get any money anymore for the extra power you produce.

It's also cool that the ocean is being cleaned, but we'll just produce more garbage in shorter time. So far we did plastic straws, which was a big thing that a lot of people are still mad about. And it was just basically a marketing campaign because a turtle had a straw in it's nose. The garbage that is being fished out of the ocean doesn't just disappear. It's better than chilling in the ocean i guess, but it's still garbage twice the size of texas that has to be delt with.

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[-] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Indoor farming is really exclusive for just a few produce tbh. Majority of vegie/fruits can't be realistically indoor farmed.

At least i got my lettuce.

[-] Twista713@lemmy.world 0 points 20 hours ago

Idk... Iceland is doing pretty well with some large greenhouses. I was pretty amazed at the variety and quality of their fruits and veggies. That island has to deal with some serious issues but seem to be handling them quite well overall!

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[-] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Don't forget the huge investments by cities to build public and active transit. My city has invested over $1B into rail expansion projects and $500M into BRT. They're currently tearing up half of downtown to widen sidewalks along with building bike lanes and bus lines. Things are changing more quickly than they seem. My city also advocated for a state law that was passed to fund passenger rail between 2 large nearby cities

[-] bcoffy@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Also the US is at about 40% carbon free energy production (renewables + nuclear), which is pretty swag.

[-] eleitl@lemm.ee -1 points 16 hours ago

Try looking at facts. Data. Or, rather, don't if you don't want to become depressed.

[-] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago

Defeatists are just lazy. Call them out for being unwilling to actually do something about the climate.

[-] ladicius@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

One could argue that people who soothe themselves with cosmetics are the ones who are unwilling to really tackle the problem. See my other comment for details.

[-] x00z@lemmy.world 0 points 20 hours ago

It's not always up to us, but also countries like China that open a new coal plant every week.

[-] BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee 1 points 17 hours ago

Gotta power the factory that has to send garbage to america

[-] communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 2 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

i don't think china is the example you want to point to on that...

https://e360.yale.edu/features/china-renewable-energy

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