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I’m torn. Both Galadriel and Sauron say the other is a threat to Middle-earth. One has to be wrong, so whom am I to trust? Should I trust the Dark Lord who attempted to topple the White City of Gondor, dominate all life, and attempt to stay in power for eternity? Or do I trust the Elf Queen representing the coalition of Men and Elves who defeated Sauron when he tried to enslave the Free Peoples… but could maybe do more meet-and-greets?

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[-] Guamer@hexbear.net 18 points 8 hours ago

Was worried that the actual Onion had posted Liberalism, but thankfully it's some knockoff

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[-] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 8 points 7 hours ago

Not humoring this childish nonsense about a novel; scum like you won't even press Kamala at every moment to stop her support of genocide because you don't give a damn about the Palestinians; you gonna vote for her in the tens of millions? Then why aren't there tens of millions putting her on the spot about her support for Israel? You people don't give a damn and you're not conning anyone here.

[-] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 25 points 9 hours ago

Was Galadriel pledging strong endless support for a genocide? I don't remember that part of the books if I'm honest.

[-] geekwithsoul@lemm.ee 15 points 9 hours ago

Hmm, let me guess, you're voting for Grima Wormtongue?

[-] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 23 points 9 hours ago

I'd vote for Frodo, since he's ignoring all of the ridiculous political bullshit and actually trying to do a revolutionary act by building a fellowship and working together with his friends to destroy the source of the evil rather than fighting over who is the best one to control the evil.

I swear it's like you people haven't even read the books!

[-] geekwithsoul@lemm.ee 4 points 8 hours ago

Ahh, yes, Frodo. The one who actually gave into the ring and was only saved by someone literally biting it and the attached finger off.

Also, brave call to say that Frodo exerted an ounce of agency. Frodo was a puppet of the existing power structure and elites who essentially got tricked into going without understanding what was at stake, repeatedly put the ring on despite Gandalf telling him not to, got stabbed and almost died, and then because no one could trust anyone else with it, was the default choice to keep going with a group he had no say in creating.

If you were going to pick someone, you should at least have gone with Samwise.

Talk about someone who hasn't read the books.

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 13 points 8 hours ago

Ahh, yes

jagoff

That's such a tiresome and arrogant Reddit-standard opener for your reply that I'm doubting that "withsoul" part of your name.

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[-] AmidFuror@fedia.io 4 points 9 hours ago

It's the only way to break the system!

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[-] Outdoor_Catgirl@hexbear.net 27 points 9 hours ago

Genocide propaganda. Why do you support, or at least not have a problem with, the extermination of the Palestinian people?

[-] geekwithsoul@lemm.ee 9 points 9 hours ago

Hypothetically and only for the sake of argument, let's say Harris "supports genocide". We know Trump supports …let's call it "Genocide+". What does that leave? I believe most people think Harris will make getting a permanent ceasefire and supporting a two state solution central tenets of her administration. And Trump will do something insane that will threaten many more innocent lives across the entire region.

You can cast a vote for the imperfect candidate (which is every candidate ever), you can cast a vote for the candidate most likely to start World War III. Or you can cast a vote for ~~Grima Wormtongue~~, oops I mean Jill Stein, who is on the take from both the Russians and the GOP, and end up helping WWIII guy. Those are your options. It's not necessarily a fun choice, but it shouldn't be a hard one.

[-] CleverOleg@hexbear.net 26 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

We know Trump supports …let's call it "Genocide+"

We do know that? Biden and Harris are currently ok with the IOF sealing off an area with 400k+ people in it, hoping to starve them to death. No, if you’re going to claim Trump will do something more, be specific. Because outside of dropping a nuke on Gaza there isn’t much more that can be done, we’re at what essentially is maximum genocide that is reasonably possible.

I believe most people think Harris will make getting a permanent ceasefire and supporting a two state solution central tenets of her administration.

michael-laugh hahaha point-and-laugh-1 point-and-laugh-2

Oh wait, you’re serious. Oh you sweet summer child. I can even be mad at you. But not only do most people not believe this, most people know this is patently false because it IS false. Btw the reason people like Blinken and Harris bring up a 2 state solution is because Israel has made it functionally impossible.

[-] geekwithsoul@lemm.ee 5 points 8 hours ago

I should know better, but sure, I'll bite. You want specifics of what Trump thinks?

https://www.reuters.com/world/netanyahu-denies-report-he-spoke-trump-about-gaza-talks-2024-08-15/

In an event later on Thursday about tackling antisemitism, Trump criticized Biden and Harris' months-long calls for a ceasefire in Gaza.

"From the start, Harris has worked to tie Israel's hand behind its back, demanding an immediate ceasefire, always demanding ceasefire," Trump said, adding it "would only give Hamas time to regroup and launch a new October 7 style attack."

Trump added: "I will give Israel the support that it needs to win but I do want them to win fast."

In the same event, Trump also labelled pro-Palestinian supporters calling for an end to U.S. support for Israel's war as "pro-Hamas thugs" and "jihad sympathizers." He threatened to arrest and deport them from the U.S. if he became president.

Netanyahu's office and Trump both separately denied on Thursday an Axios report that said they had spoken the previous day about Gaza ceasefire and hostage release talks.

This was back in August, and the dude has Bibi on speed dial. If he cared one iota, he could have been leaning on Netanyahu and making public calls for an end to Israel's crimes since this started. But he hasn't and he'll do far worse if elected. Hell, he'll send US ground troops throughout the region killing civilians right and left if the price is right. And sell Ukraine down the river too. Never trust a narcissist to have anyone else's interest at heart.

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[-] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 3 points 8 hours ago

Not only will Trump genocide thyjjyjyjyjyyjjyyjyjyjjyyj Middle East, he’ll germicide the USA as well

[-] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 16 points 8 hours ago

Is this a bit?

[-] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 13 points 8 hours ago

Trump Derangement Syndrome lives in every liberal that can just say out loud with no reason besides 'orange man bad' that the unconditional and enthusiastic support for genocide that already exists would be worse under Trump.

And I honestly don't believe you're acting in good faith. I think you're a disgusting fucking piece of shit that's just latching your own personal cause (electing a nazi) to the cause célèbre.

[-] basmati@lemmus.org -1 points 9 hours ago

I voted PSL, enjoy literally being a member of the Nazi party.

[-] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 3 points 8 hours ago

As an anarchist, how the hell is collaborating with the election promoting revolution?

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[-] somename@hexbear.net 10 points 7 hours ago

Imagine hyping up Kamala this much

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[-] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

When in doubt go for chaos... NO DONT I AM KIDDING

[-] JohnBrownsBussy2@hexbear.net 26 points 10 hours ago

I know the article is a threadbare simile, but it more than misses the whole point of Galadriel's character in the books/movie. For even someone like Galadriel who meets this beyond-human ideal of beauty, purity and "goodness", the power of the One Ring to dominate life is so corrupting that it would simply turn her into a new Sauron. Which is why after failing to resist temptation, Galadriel leaves Middle Earth and goes into the West. If there's one point that is hammered in repeatedly throughout the Lord of the Rings, it's that such absolute power cannot be used for good, despite anyone's best intentions, and the only recourse is for it to be destroyed.

[-] Doubledee@hexbear.net 11 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

There's a much better candidate for the comparison: Saruman, the guy whose whole deal was resisting Sauron by adopting all of his means.

[-] imPastaSyndrome@lemm.ee 9 points 10 hours ago

I mean it's not asking why should have the ring it's saying why should be trusted to rule

[-] CleverOleg@hexbear.net 12 points 9 hours ago

This post is a good reminder why I need to sort by Local and not All.

[-] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 8 points 8 hours ago

I guess sometimes the onion does miss

[-] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 7 points 8 hours ago
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