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[-] Rentlar@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

[Citation needed] on the 100000x easier part, but nice meme.

Electric cars seem like a stopgap more than anything to me.

[-] lugal@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 year ago

I found a source. I hope that helps.

[-] Bogasse@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Well that's a topic that intrigued me recently.

Here in France there was already some debates about how worth it was, mostly because it takes a few years to compensate the cost of production of the battery. But in France we think of the electricity as basically carbon-free (our energetic mix is something like 70% nuclear, 7% gas+coal, then "clean" energy)

However, in the world I think something like 70% of electricity production is fossil (with ~40% of coal), I don't get how electric cars are even a thing, say in the US?

[-] Oddbin@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

One power station is easier to replace than 1 million cars but takes a fair bit longer. So you swap the cars over right now. You also immediately stop local production of co2 as well as other noxious gases, stop the transportation of fuel and the fuel that THAT burns and you make people more energy conscious not just about the vehicle but their total usage.

Fossil Fuels in a power station are more efficient than a car ever will be. In addition Petrol and diesel vehicles are dirty from day one until they are scrapped. EVs pay off their debt ( in the EU I believe it's less than 20k miles and falling) and then are as close as you can make to neutral but not ride a bike everywhere. As the grid gets cleaner you immediately benefit also.

Many people hate cars and in America you lot have been very lazy about public transport so you lot are way, way behind on a lot of the mass transit stuff sadly. This means EVs are the future. Are they the end point? Probably not. But they're the best we can do right now and this infighting over them is stupid.

We all should be behind anything that moves us to being fully electric as quick as possible, making the transition to public transport if we can but EVs if not. Fire your ire at the coal rollers and V8 5.0 wastes of energy, not the EVs.

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[-] sirico@feddit.uk 9 points 1 year ago

Batteries used gives you150 ebikes for every e-car

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

I am all for more public transportation in this country, but it wouldn't help me personally. I live outside of city limits- the closest bus line is two miles away. My work is even further outside city limits, a 10-minute drive south of me down a four-lane highway, past farm fields and into an industrial park.

There's just no way public transportation is going to help me there. And even if I didn't have to do it down a highway, there's no way I'm riding a bike there in the middle of winter.

So do please make public transport more available and expansive. Just know that it still won't be a universal solution. Individual transport is needed by some of us.

I plan to get an electric (not a Tesla) for my next car. I currently drive a hybrid.

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[-] Clipper152@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

B-but think of the iNdIvIdUaL!

[-] wanderingmagus@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Because places like America are so spread out (by design) that rail networks, especially in the Great Plains and Southwest, are viewed as impractical unless all of their population moved to cities or towns in close proximity to rail lines, and Americans tend to take up a large chunk of the bandwidth.

[-] cogman@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

You'd think. But the truth is throughout the West and Midwest, almost every town has or has had a rail line.

So what's gone wrong? Pretty much the same thing that's gone wrong with America in general, big corporations realized shipping to big cities is way more profitable than carrying passengers from small towns. Particularly because most people prefer a car over the train.

We have a ton of dead rail lines just waiting to be revitalized.

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[-] 6mementomori@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

People here are saying a lot that cars are convenient because there's more roads... like... let public transport run on those roads? People seem to literally be unable to realize that things are the way they are now solely because you refuse to believe they can be in any other way and don't solve problems because "it's not practical". Short termed thinking runs too much

[-] Iron_Lynx@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

there's more roads

Which, by the way, would not be there like without a government making it so. And if those governments went "nah" to the idea of a stroad and any highway expansion beyond 6 lanes, and threw it all into railways in the '70s, the USA may have had a bullet train network today that'd make Germany jealous.

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[-] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Because trains are massively inconvenient to anyone that isn't living in AND traveling to the most dense of urban areas.

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[-] MeanEYE@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

People associated "freedom to go anywhere" with cars but it's a disguised argument. For the most part it's about not traveling with others. To a degree it's also about status symbol but for the most part they want to be alone and dictate their own schedule. If they really cared about freedom to move wherever they would get offroad motorcycles and never need to pay for parking again.

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[-] Crucible_Fodder@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 year ago

Yeah, but no train takes me from my front door to my job/the movies/my vacation place. And my car works even if the state decides to shut down the trains/buses.

[-] spiphy@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

You seem to have a serious case of car brain, which is odd because you are commenting in the fuckcars community

[-] jannis@feddit.de 10 points 1 year ago

This meme is on the startpage, so many people outside of the typical c/fuckcars community will comment.

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[-] constnt@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

What if the state decides to shut down oil supply? Or the electric grid? That logic applies to cars as much as trains. Those all rely on government oversite, even when privately owned.

We decry the government, claiming it's inept. We listen to and vote in people who say the government is inept. Then when those we just voted in do a horrible job we then point at the mess and say, "see the government doesn't work". It's a self fulfilling prophecy.

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