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submitted 11 months ago by CptVimes@kbin.social to c/kbinMeta@kbin.social

https://kbin.social/m/modernmisogyny
I ran across that magazine recently and every post is transphobic af. Does that fit within kbin.social's code of conduct?

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[-] SlowNPC@kbin.social 13 points 11 months ago

I have mixed feelings about this

On one hand, Daryl Davis is a hero, and his method actually works to de-radicalize people. I prefer using this method when I encounter bigots irl.

On the other hand, allowing bigoted speech in your online platform has the potential to drive away normal folks and turn your platform into the echo-chamber where bigotry flourishes that you mentioned. This is basically what happened to Voat.

I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall fight to the death to defend your right to say it.

I agree with this, but it's beside the point. This isn't a public space like a street corner, it's a managed public/private space like a bar, where the bouncer will kick you out for abusing other patrons.

[-] 10A@kbin.social 6 points 11 months ago

A group of patrons sitting at a table in a bar, quietly discussing their TERF perspective, is entirely different from one of them walking up to a trans table and picking a fight. The former is an exercise of free speech, whereas the latter is cause for ejection.

[-] Chetzemoka@kbin.social 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

No. You don't have the right to debate other people's right to exist. Such speech is an act of violence and should be treated as such.

I don't want a group of people sitting around "discussing" whether or not black people are inherently inferior either. That is not speech we should accept in the public sphere

[-] 10A@kbin.social 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Have you never heard "sticks and stones may break my bones, but names can never hurt me"? It's preschool 101. Speech is never an act of violence.

Additionally, nobody is debating anyone's right to exist.

[-] Chetzemoka@kbin.social 10 points 11 months ago

Says the person who's never heard their own right to exist or the rights of their loved ones called into question publicly.

You don't have the right to "debate" other people's equal rights.

[-] 10A@kbin.social 2 points 11 months ago

Except really, nobody's ever debating anyone's right to exist. That's absurd.

Consider this: If a mass murderer was captured and imprisoned, he could claim that the justice system opposes his right to exist. The trouble with that is he'd be completely incorrect. The justice system opposes his behavior of murder. No matter how much he believes his very existence is inextricably bound to his behavior of murder, the reality is he murders by choice, and it is that intentional action which the justice system opposes.

[-] Chetzemoka@kbin.social 9 points 11 months ago

Did you just compare trans people living their lives without hurting anyone to murder?

[-] 10A@kbin.social 2 points 11 months ago

Sure, and I could have chosen any other action, but I chose murder because it's not contentious to express a disapproval of it.

[-] Chetzemoka@kbin.social 5 points 11 months ago

Did it ever occur to you that it's "contentious" to express "disapproval" of trans people existing because...there's nothing WRONG with trans people existing?

[-] 10A@kbin.social 4 points 11 months ago

Hmm, sounds like you missed my entire point. Nobody objects to any people existing. Some people object to particular behaviors.

[-] Chetzemoka@kbin.social 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

You don't think trans people exist and that being trans is "a behavior" equivalent with murder.

I definitely understood the "point" of your bigotry perfectly well.

[-] 10A@kbin.social 2 points 11 months ago

No. No, that's not what I think.

[-] Chetzemoka@kbin.social 4 points 11 months ago

And yet, it is what you said.

[-] Walk_blesseD@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 11 months ago

"Speech is never an act of violence" mfs when I use a public platform to smear them as child molesters, while simultaneously encouraging acts of vigilantism against "paedos": 😯

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