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Lemmy.world community banned people for misinformation on the post complaining about Lemmy.ml instance banning people for misinformation (reddthat.com)

submitted 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) by Blaze@reddthat.com to c/fedigrow@lemm.ee

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I have no stake in this argument (centralization on both lemmy.ml and lemmy.world is detrimental in my opinion), but I found it kind of ironic.

Not sure if this is the best place to post it, but didn't know of any "neutral" fediverse communities, so I guess this one works.

Edit: the thread itself: https://lemmy.world/post/16211417

Some examples of removals/bans: https://reddthat.com/post/20718767/11186767

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[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 14 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

The first two are sweeping generalizations that are like that simply not true and only serve to attack the work of the moderators. If you want to critizise something you need concrete examples.

The last one... the historical accuracy is debatable, but was it even posted on a thread that discussed pre-ww2 history? Usually such cut&paste comments are made to derail justified complaints regarding ML propaganda about recent events.

[–] Blaze@reddthat.com 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The first two are sweeping generalizations that are like that simply not true and only serve to attack the work of the moderators. If you want to critizise something you need concrete examples.

Ironically, the moderators created those examples themselves by removing those comments.

The last one… the historical accuracy is debatable, but was it even posted on a thread that discussed pre-ww2 history?

It was not, but as you know, the lemmy.ml moderation discussion always brings up political questions.

Usually such cut&paste comments are made to derail justified complaints regarding ML propaganda about recent events.

Indeed. The fact that lemmy.ml bans people about mentioning Tienanmen is still crazy. But that should probably not be a justification for lemmy.world moderators to remove any debatable historical thesis and ban users for that, especially on a community dedicated to the fediverse.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago (1 children)

But that should probably not be a justification for lemmy.world moderators to remove any debatable historical thesis and ban users for that, especially on a community dedicated to the fediverse.

Jesus fucking Christ, the users in question are outright denying massacres, a matter of historical fact not seriously questioned by mainstream academia, performed by a totalitarian state in WW2 on a civilian population, but it's okay because the totalitarian state isn't Nazi Germany? It's just a 'debatable historical thesis'?

This is fucked, and it's extremely strange that you don't see that.

[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The debatable part is that the USSR might have considered it a valid tactic to buy time, which is the main thesis of the specific post quoted above. I think it is a postwar rationalisation and Stalin had no qualms about working with Hitler, but that is also debatable.

What however isn't debatable is that community moderators can and should remove comments that are only made to derail discussions.

[–] Blaze@reddthat.com 1 points 5 months ago

The debatable part is that the USSR might have considered it a valid tactic to buy time, which is the main thesis of the specific post quoted above. I think it is a postwar rationalisation and Stalin had no qualms about working with Hitler, but that is also debatable.

Indeed, thanks for pointing it out.

What however isn’t debatable is that community moderators can and should remove comments that are only made to derail discussions.

I read the whole chain of comments, it actually was started by another commenter that mentioned Poland, and then started the whole thing. You can have a look here if you are interested: https://slrpnk.net/post/10244872/9112924