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Liberty Hub: A Space for Leftists and Post-Leftists
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I have genuinely only seen tankie used by anarchists and libertarian socialists generally. Didn't even know that liberals knew of the term. :/
Thanks to .world, a lot of liberals here now know it. The issue is many are using it like the American right uses woke: anything or anyone they don't like, generally because their political or social commentary challenges their assumptions and makes them uncomfortable.
That sucks. I'll have to watch my usage of this term, or at least use it in circumstances where it's clear that it's not meant to critique leftism. Surely there's gotta be some new term now, though? The term is quite old at this point, and comes from a very specific situation where it was clearly one authoritarian side, which was criticized from the left using the term tankie. I think someone ought to have come up with an apt term to describe authoritarian """communists""" today.
One thing I've seen used for CPGB-ML (an ML party so notable for their transphobia that JK Rowling has repeatedly endorsed them and their members and even the MLs in Britain largely range from looking down on to openly hating them) are the phrases tailism and right deviationism being applied to them
As a general trend in Britain the term tankie (at least in my experience) is used less by the far left because it originated here and has had more time to be misused to the point that most of us remember stuff like Jeremy Corbyn being called a "tankie trot" by Boris Johnson and stuff like that