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submitted 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) by SpaceCadet@feddit.nl to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

I feel like we need to talk about Lemmy's massive tankie censorship problem. A lot of popular lemmy communities are hosted on lemmy.ml. It's been well known for a while that the admins/mods of that instance have, let's say, rather extremist and onesided political views. In short, they're what's colloquially referred to as tankies. This wouldn't be much of an issue if they didn't regularly abuse their admin/mod status to censor and silence people who dissent with their political beliefs and for example, post things critical of China, Russia, the USSR, socialism, ...

As an example, there was a thread today about the anniversary of the Tiananmen Massacre. When I was reading it, there were mostly posts critical of China in the thread and some whataboutist/denialist replies critical of the USA and the west. In terms of votes, the posts critical of China were definitely getting the most support.

I posted a comment in this thread linking to "https://archive.ph/2020.07.12-074312/https://imgur.com/a/AIIbbPs" (WARNING: graphical content), which describes aspects of the atrocities that aren't widely known even in the West, and supporting evidence. My comment was promptly removed for violating the "Be nice and civil" rule. When I looked back at the thread, I noticed that all posts critical of China had been removed while the whataboutist and denialist comments were left in place.

This is what the modlog of the instance looks like:

Definitely a trend there wouldn't you say?

When I called them out on their one sided censorship, with a screenshot of the modlog above, I promptly received a community ban on all communities on lemmy.ml that I had ever participated in.

Proof:

So many of you will now probably think something like: "So what, it's the fediverse, you can use another instance."

The problem with this reasoning is that many of the popular communities are actually on lemmy.ml, and they're not so easy to replace. I mean, in terms of content and engagement lemmy is already a pretty small place as it is. So it's rather pointless sitting for example in /c/linux@some.random.other.instance.world where there's nobody to discuss anything with.

I'm not sure if there's a solution here, but I'd like to urge people to avoid lemmy.ml hosted communities in favor of communities on more reasonable instances.

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[-] FaceDeer@fedia.io 43 points 6 months ago

If you want to get away from the Lemmy codebase entirely I can vouch that mBin works quite nicely. I've been on fedia.io for months now and only once or twice hit some kind of technical problem, which was resolved quickly.

[-] Atelopus-zeteki@kbin.run 27 points 6 months ago

MBIN FTW. KBIN has been "We are working on resolving the issues" for some days now. I hope Ernest is ok.

I have a login for lemmy.ml, as I have several from when I was switching over from Reddit. I'm thinking from what I'm reading here, that it's not an instance I want to associate with.

[-] FaceDeer@fedia.io 25 points 6 months ago

Yeah, nothing against Ernest but developing and running kbin is just too big to be a one-man show.

[-] Atelopus-zeteki@kbin.run 9 points 6 months ago

Dude's a superhero, and needn't be a 'lone ranger'. Agreed. As the Fediverse expands, it will be the work of many; it just has to be that way.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

I do hope he eventually finds a balance that works both for him and for us. I greatly prefer Kbin, when it's, y'know, up.

[-] Atelopus-zeteki@kbin.run 4 points 6 months ago

Agreed! And yeah, still down, I just checked.

[-] ahornsirup@sopuli.xyz 13 points 6 months ago

Are there mobile apps yet? Because if no that's one huge advantage Lemmy still has over Kbin/Mbin, and it's why I switched to Lemmy when Artemis started having issues (it went down completely since) instead of going back to Kbin.

[-] debounced@kbin.run 14 points 6 months ago
[-] ahornsirup@sopuli.xyz 4 points 6 months ago

Oh, cool. That one flew completely under my radar. I'll have to check it out when I have time.

[-] xnx@slrpnk.net 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Don’t forget about piefed it’s amazing and lets you subscribe to posts and/or comments. Theres someone who contributed Lemmy API compatibility to use some Lemmy apps with Piefed instances. Its still very early but so far its extremely promising and the codebase is in python and the main developer is focused on ensuring it wasy to contribute. Check it out: https://piefed.social

Code is on codeberg which is great too https://codeberg.org/rimu/pyfedi

[-] bacon_saber@fedia.io 6 points 6 months ago

Agree and just to add to this: the official list of mbin instances

this post was submitted on 05 Jun 2024
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