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The person on the left is carrying bags, the one in orange is a delivery driver and a couple of people are wearing backpacks. Aside from car brained, Damaris is also blind.

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[-] figstick@mas.to 1 points 4 months ago

@chiliedogg
I understand the impulse to call them inherent, but they're really just consequences of the same bad policy that kept people off public transit for 60 years.

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

What's a concrete, real way to fix these cities that doesn't require millions of people to give up their homes to move into more-expensive apartments they don't own, addresses the fact that being outside for more than a few minutes simply isn't safe for a significant portion of the population for almost half the year, and doesn't significantly add to commute times?

[-] ShugarSkull@lemm.ee 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I don't live in the US so maybe I'm mistaken but in my opinion a possibility could be :

Wait for a small group of houses in the suburbs to be available (preferably towards the center) and transform them in convenience stores, schools, office space, etc

Next you can link multiple suburbs like that with train/tram or metro for exemple. And you can even leave roads connecting zones for delivery or for people needing to go to another town or things like that

Couple that to a good public transport system overall and now you're living in a space were there's less danger due to car circulation, you don't need to drive multiple km to do groceries, kids can walk(or commute via PT) to school, etc

Edit: Naturally this would not be feasible in a year or two but I can easily see this implemented in 5 to 10 year time

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Do you think we don't have offices, schools, and C-stores in the suburbs?

We also have sidewalks, bike lanes, walkable shopping districts, etc, but in Texas they don't get used because it's 110° for months at a time and you don't want to have to take a shower every time you change locations.

But the problem is those C-stores and small offices don't bring the jobs required to support the suburbs. Most people have to work in the city, so they have to commute, and getting from their house to the office is what creates traffic.

[-] ShugarSkull@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago

I'll accept that maybe my vision of the suburbs is biased by films and TV shows 😅

I live in a city where temperature could realistically go to 110° F (that's about 40~45° C for me) in summer but here bus and tram have AC and there is water fountains (decorative and drinkable) everywhere + the city try to maintain vegetation despite heat waves. So even if it's hot outside, felt air temperature is actually way cooler.

I'll admit this is very dependent of where you live, the climate around you, water availability and other things, but certainly it's doable in some places of the US. For others places, in between accomodations can be found. Walkable cities are not a black and white sets of solution there's levels, hierarchical implementations, etc

[-] 990000@mstdn.social 0 points 4 months ago

@chiliedogg wow this is a nice summary from which to start defining possible solutions. Off the top of my head, it would be low-rise residential co-op ownership clusters with adjoining, enclosed spaces like small Milan gallerias. Residential clusters will be connected by main commercial streets with offices and stores. Cluster groups form towns and cars would only be allowed to travel between towns but not within. Millions of people still need to transition to this, there’s no way around that.

[-] figstick@mas.to 0 points 4 months ago

@990000 @chiliedogg
Implement mixed-use zoning with rent controls, and I think you'll find that not everybody wants to have a lawn.

And do I need to explain why being outside for several minutes isn't as much of an issue in places with lots of tall buildings?

#FuckCars #fucklawns #urbanism #publictransit #waroncars

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Absolutely. I work in the planning department of a municipality that's a tiny enclave for the super-wealthy. The average new home here is over 10 times the price of the regional average. I recently issued a permit for a 5,000 square-foot guest house with a tennis pavillion on the roof.

Our residents don't want neighbors. They don't want a sense of cummunity. They want their special enclave with a police force that exists to keep out the homeless people from the major city that surrounds us.

I don't live here of course. I have to drive 90 minutes every morning because my annual salary won't cover a week's mortgage for some of these houses.

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