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[–] EatYouWell@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (4 children)
[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

FLAC is a meme for 90% of use cases out there. The difference in sound quality between a .flac and 320 .mp3 is imperceptible to the majority of people and needs thousands of dollars of listening equipment to become apparent. The file size is drastically different, though. Not to mention the fact that almost all music is recorded in .wav files nowadays, and the "lossless" versions are usually just synthetically upscaled for the audiophile crowd.

Not to say that I don't prefer to download FLAC when possible, but I also don't avoid non-lossless albums either.

[–] XyliaSky@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

FLAC Not to mention the fact that almost all music is recorded in .wav files nowadays, and the "lossless" versions are usually just synthetically upscaled for the audiophile crowd.

Yeah, this isn’t how that works.

“Lossless” refers to a mathematical property of the type of compression. If the data can be decompressed to exactly the same bits that went into the compressor then it’s lossless.

You can’t “synthetically upscale” to lossless. You can make a fake lossless file (lossy data converted into a lossless file format) but that serves zero purpose and is more of an issue with shady pirate uploaders.

Lossless means it sounds exactly like the CD copy, should it exist. That’s really all. And you want lossless for any situation where you’ll be converting again before playback. Like, for example, Bluetooth transmission.

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Lossless means it sounds exactly like the CD copy, should it exist

You're bang on with everything but this, if you're getting FLACs from the source, you may be getting higher quality than CD which is 16-bit 44.1khz. I've got many 24-bit 96khz FLACs in my collection

Your last point about Bluetooth is such a great one though. Recompression of already compressed audio is a much worse end result than compressing uncompressed audio one time (and before anyone says it, basically no one is listening to lossless Bluetooth audio)

[–] XyliaSky@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago

Fair point with the higher bit depths and sampling rates, I just figured there was no point in overcomplicating it when it seemed there was already some form of misunderstanding.

[–] RandomPancake@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

In my case I use FLAC because when Plex transcodes, FLAC > Opus sounds better than MP3 > Opus. Almost all my media was ripped by me direct from CD, with some coming from Bandcamp.

[–] Rodeo@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago

See the problem there is that Plex is transcoding instead of just supporting popular audio formats directly.

[–] CentreForAnts@aussie.zone 0 points 2 years ago

It's all about the 64kbps .wma's. I could fit so many songs on my 128mb mp3 player back in the day

[–] systemglitch@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I use FLAC for albums I love and mp3s for everything else (including copies of the flacs in mp3). It's a nice balance.

Fucking love my collection of music. I use Spotify as well, but nothing can compete with literally owning a music collection of my own I can listen to without the Internet

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is the way. Also, FLAC for high bit rate audiophile vinyl rips.

[–] Rodeo@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Gotta use that lossless format so you can pick up all the sound artefacts caused by an imperfect physical format.

[–] XyliaSky@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Despite vinyl’s technical inferiority, it was those same limitations that meant vinyl actually sounded better than CD throughout a specific period. Vinyl cannot be too loud or the needle will jump off the track, making the vinyl unplayable. This prevented vinyl from dealing with the loudness wars, and brick wall dynamic range compression. So especially for the early 2000s, the masters used for the vinyl mix were often significantly better.

And, a clean record played on clean and properly set up equipment can sound really pristine, especially if copied to a digital format early in its life. You wouldn’t even be able to tell it’s vinyl.

[–] Repelle@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

+1 to all you said. I collect vinyl for a number of reasons and none of them are because it is technically superior (it isn’t) however, many (most?) people have never heard just how good vinyl can actually sound when it’s in good condition and played on a good setup. I personally cannot tell the difference between even a 33 and CD, let alone a 45, and I have a decently high end setup.

My ears like to trick me and tell me I can hear a difference between a 33 and 45 but I’m pretty sure this is a lie.

[–] XyliaSky@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago

Not to mention, psychoacoustics don’t really give a damn about fidelity, so if your goal is “I want it to sound good to me” moreso than “I want it to reproduce sounds accurately” then there’s arguments for vinyl, tube amplifiers, vintage speakers, etc.

Hell I have a friend who specifically uses one of the earliest CD players because it had a 14 bit DAC and no oversampling vs 16 bit DAC, and for those few albums he really likes the digital distortion that comes with it because that’s how he first heard it.

[–] Oha@lemmy.ohaa.xyz 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I fucking love my 100gb flac collection

[–] EatYouWell@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Do you know a reliable tracker? I have lidarr set up to find lossless versions, but it's pretty terrible at it.

[–] thisisawayoflife@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Orpheus for torrents, Usenet gets like 90% of the stuff out there though. And don't forget to sort your favorites bands but buying their albums when they provide them as FLAC.

[–] EatYouWell@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Nah, I won't pay for music, unless it's a signed record, because the bands get pretty much no money from the sale, so it's more of a fuck you to the labels. But I will travel to go to concerts and buy merch to support them.

I guess I should get around to figuring out how to use usenet, though.