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Have you?
Well no, which is why I ain't voting. Since it's useless
This is literally the stupidest argument I've ever heard in my life, and that's saying quite a lot.
Stupid, stupid take.
You best not be in a swing state. We'll anyway, if you aren't going to be trying to improve things with the rest of us, shut up and get out of the way
Voting doesn't improve anything. We've already said this
Then shut up and let the grown ups talk
No u
Do you unironically believe that life hasn't gotten better for literally everyone that's not a Rockefeller since 1924? I think you may have brain damage. Which is a much more treatable condition than it was in 1920 fucking 4.
Correlation is not causation Life has gotten better because of all the struggles outside of voting
Voting does not change the whims of the powerful. The powerful continue to push their will. Currently that will is massacres and genocide. Genocide Joe does have a nice ring to it. Vote or don't. The powerful will get their way.
Voting is easy in my state, so I will. My current amusement is voting against incumbents. Preference is Third Party > Democrat > Republican.
Beyond the entertainment of voting: keep building mutual aid networks, be a good neighbor and use a pokeball if 2025 gets ghastly.
Well no the powerful won't get their way if we unite and scare them into submission. Our societies have done this multiple times
I agree that united we can push back. Creating horizontal power structures provide the push. Ideally, dismantling hierarchical power over merely scaring it.
Bro. Some elections are decided by 10s of votes. I live in a city of 12k people, on smaller elections less than a thousand people vote. By simply showing up you are effectively voting for 10-12 people. It takes like 10 minutes, and ballot measures alone make it worth while.
If you don't vote you're just accepting what those who did vote collectively voted for.
I don't accept shit. I oppose the whole system and I live my life in way meant to destabilize it.
Hahaha you don't vote to try to destabilize the system. You realize a large percentage of Americans never vote right? Not voting isn't special at all !
I'm sure those women facing prosecution for seeking a medically necessary procedure will find great comfort in knowing about your destabilization efforts, as they endure their noble suffering in coming years.
How has voting stopped that result, or the ongoing genocide again?
Already happened this year.
Arizona Attorney General Kris Mayes won her position in 2022 with a lead of 280 votes.
Women in Arizona were 280 votes away from having their rights to privacy and medical care stripped.
So? This will just be reversed in a few years. In the long term, these votes mean nothing, The progress to fascism through liberal voting is inexorable.
“The progress to fascism through liberal voting is inexorable, you understand” I explain to the sixteen year old child, victim of sexual assault, forced to carry her unviable pregnancy to term in 2025.
Yuck.
Why 2025?it's reality right now under your guy! Don't try to hide the failures of your system.
Why 2025? Because you just delivered an entire tirade about your concerns for 'the long term.' I aim to highlight the immediate damage being inflicted today or within the next year. Interestingly, I prioritize the well-being of those currently affected by oppressive regimes and don't perceive women as mere pawns to reach some hypothetical better future.
You can't advocate for 'the long term' selectively and then shift focus to 'right now under your guy' when it suits your argument.
With that disingenuous move on your part, my rhetorical engagement here concludes. Have a pleasant day.
The people in the 80s were making the same arguments as you about the "short term". This inexorably led to genocides, climate apocalypse and abortion bans. Ergo, this "short-term thinking" is and has always been an abject failure. I claim that your approach is directly going to lead to more suffering for women and minorities and likely the death of billions from climate disasters.
To protect these people the answer is to ignore vote and go and do literally anything else for social change.
cite ur source that identifies these parallels and ill change my position. im not here to “defend short term thinking”, im here to defend the rights of human beings. so a subtle difference there.
Did US have abortion bans and was funding genocides back then? Are they doing those right now? Did people vote in the interim years? This is not nuclear science my guy. I can go back as much as you want and we can see how much progress was made through voting, or through activism, unions and making those in power scared shitless.