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I don't like Biden either, he's done things that offend me too. But it doesn't matter. Assuming Biden or Trump will win the general, then the only rational move is to pick one of them. Your vote can only make the difference between 1st and 2nd. You can't make the 3rd place candidate jump to first, and you certainly can't cause the winner to be nobody.
If you wanna vote for a candidate who matches your priorities and convictions, the time for that is the primary stage. The general is too late for that. In fact, if Trump wins that'll make it even harder for a more liberal candidate to win the next primary, because (as happened after 2016) a Trump victory will scare democratic voters into thinking they need to move to the center to stop the far-right.
I know, American democracy is a big disgusting knot that makes you do things that feel dirty. But just pretend it's a game, because that's what it is. If you wanna win in the end, that means on each turn you move towards the least bad outcome.
Incorrect.
DNC attorneys assert that the party has every right to favor one candidate or another, despite their party rules that state otherwise because, after all, they are a private corporation and they can change their rules if they want
I legitimately can't believe y'all are still doing this. Get new material.
Only when there is better evidence that primaries are fair and relevant.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/bernie-sanders-camp-fix-was-against-clinton-n817501
This is also why a no-name junior senator from Illinois also failed to beat Clinton in the primary, right? Because the DNC decided she should win?
That strawman argument is at the level of "I voted for a pigeon why isn't he president".
We have email evidence in 2016 of a very popular primary candidate (Sanders) being plotted against by an organisation that is supposed to uphold democracy.
A similar occurrence happened in 2020 when Sanders was up against Biden. Stalking horse candidates were used to soak up votes which were then pledged to Biden. He had no support without those votes.
Saying that people have the option to choose a candidate at the primary stage is demonstrably false.
And we have evidence that Sanders lost by 8M votes. Called an election. Move on. Or I guess keep denying the agency of millions of voters because your first baby crush candidate lost.
An excellent example of bias. Thanks!Sanders was 2M votes down when he withdrew, not 8M.
Biden was shown with Buttigieg's, Klobuchar's and bloomberg's delegates, artificially increasing his lead.
Bloomberg didn't meet the criteria to be present on the ballot, but the DNC ignored that because his delegate were earmarked for Biden.
And the media were unable to report without bias and misrepresentation
Excellent example of several meritless conspiracy theories and sour grapes.
Which state ballot do you believe Bloomberg did not qualify for?
Sorry, debate not ballot.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/31/dnc-shifts-debate-requirements-opening-door-for-bloomberg-110017
Fascinating. And Bernie Sanders, he was excluded from the debate by these malevolent forces?
Trying to erect another straw man by inventing a claim?
The point was that the DNC again rewrote it's rules for it's own purposes.
Bro you are the one who literally just invented a claim and rolled it back when you got called out.
As far as the DNC rewriting its rules, surely you know that they significantly reworked the rules from 2016 to 2020 based on feedback from the Sanders campaign, significantly reducing the power of the superdelegates.
I corrected a detail. I rolled back nothing. The DNC bent rules to favor Bloomberg.
The DNC is undemocratic. The primaries are just for show.
Still 16% of the delegates, and they still get added to the DNC choice candidate when reporting caucus results, unfairly swaying opinion.
So again, then how did a no-name junior Senator beat a heavily favored Clinton in the primary, even before they changed the rules (rules everyone knows)?
Admit it, you just don't like the rules because your guy lost.
The rules were ignored bent and broken. That's what I don't like. And that's why the primary is not a legitimate method of getting your choice of candidate elected.
Which no-name senator are you talking about? It can't be Sanders because he raised a record breaking 2.3 million individual donations.
Sanders didn't beat Clinton in the primaries. This was because the DNC were biased. The courts confirmed this and the DNC lawyers had to admit the primaries are rigged. Here's some examples:-
Wikileaks showing supposedly neutral senior party officials tried to undermine Mr Sanders's insurgent left-wing campaign by publicly portraying him as an atheist.
Debbie Wasserman Schultz, chairwoman of the Democratic Party, was found to have sent an email during the primary election saying Mr Sanders "would not be president"
Bernie Sanders said there was "no question" the party establishment had undermined his campaign and clandestinely supported Mrs Clinton for the nomination.
the Sanders campaign claimed the fund "appears to operate in a way that skirts legal limits on federal campaign donations and primarily benefits the Clinton presidential campaign
This is just embarrassing.
Two opportunities and you whiffed both of them.
I am talking about Barack fucking Obama. You clearly have no context or are an outright troll. Either way, stop spreading right wing agitprop.
Oh, I didn't realise there was campaign of dirty tricks against him too. Do we know that Hillary got the debate questions in advance there too? Or is this yet another strawman argument.
You are the troll, dude. Putting up strawmen everywhere. I can't believe you are trying to claim the primary process is fair and just, where the DNC have no influence.
Oh, and the GOP is worse. Their primaries were even more pointless.