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submitted 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) by Kaplya@hexbear.net to c/askchapo@hexbear.net

I’m not even American, so it doesn’t affect me directly, but I am scared to death of a Trump presidency.

I am one of those people here who think that Biden is a far more competent executor of imperialist policies compared to Trump, but what I am even more afraid of is the early death of nascent left wing movements in America.

I am reminded of how the KPD getting its leaders murdered by Freikorps thugs during the Spartacist uprising (mind you, a much stronger party than any leftist movement in America today), and how its continued suppression paved the way to Nazi Germany.

Project 2025 will effectively embolden fascist thugs in America to do the same to the left wing movements, many of which are still in their cradle, and the death of leftist movements in their infancies will inevitably pave the way to a fascist America and undo many of the progress that had been made over decades.

The world cannot afford a fascist America. Imagine Hitler with nukes. The world will have to pay a much, much larger price as a result.

On this reasoning alone, I believe that Trump needs to be stopped at all cost. But many here have disagreed with me, and I need you to persuade me why I shouldn’t be afraid of Project 2025 at all. Even if the chance of that happening is 10%, I’m still not ready to gamble with it.

(I’m not saying we have to support Biden, I believe it is somewhat inevitable, I’m saying that we have to buy ourselves as much time as possible, even if it means strategic voting, to build a resilient leftist movement while delaying the inevitable for as long as we can.)

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[-] AutomatedPossum@hexbear.net 59 points 7 months ago

I am reminded of how the KPD getting its leaders murdered by Freikorps thugs during the Spartacist uprising

These Freikorps thugs were sent by the SPD. It's in the interest of both liberals and conservatives to fight leftists, both liberalism and conservatism are rightwing, capitalist, imperialist and deeply chauvinist ideologies, one is just more focussed on hegemonial control and the other more on open violence. You cannot fight for queer liberation, or the rights of any other marginalized group such as America's black community, immigrants or indigenous peoples, with Bidenite Democrats, the last 4 years with its constant onslaught of anti-queer and especially anti-trans legislation (and also the uninterrupted continuation of an ever brutalizing border regime and the steady increase of police militarization) have proven this. The only Democrat opposition to trans genocide we've seen in that timeframe has been on the state level, by individual actors, the Democrats as a federal-level institution are downright scared of being too openly supportive of trans rights, Clinton as a prototypical member of the DNC establishment has more or less stated that she views our rights as a fringe issue that poses a political liability and Biden has only started voicing support for trans people when election season went into full swing.

I'm not telling Americans not to vote for Biden in November, i honestly may do so if i was Amerikan, but i'd probably do so by mail-in ballot from abroad because if i would live in Amerika, my top priority would be to get the fuck out. These are the reasonable options for US trans people, either leaving the country or work on community organizing and prepare for mass civil unrest, because mass civil unrest is the only thing that will stop the clericofascist mob. Biden won't do that, or he would have put more effort into clamping down on a movement that tried a coup and wanted to murder leading members of his party when he got into office. He's too comfortable with fascism to actually stop it, and he doesn't even meaningfully stall it.

So yes, i'm worried about the trans-exterminationist agenda of the US far right, it's a main political concern of mine because it directly affects my life even here in Europe that Reaganite nazi orgs like the Heritage Foundation are actively financing and supporting anti-trans activism here. But none of this has gotten better under Biden, and he will not change that, because he needs a continued threat to marginalized people to browbeat them into voting for him. Democrats are not allies. All they have to offer is a false sense of safety, the illusion that you can vote yourself out of the existential threat that Republicans already pose. You can't. You can try stalling for four more years, sure, but has that stalling actually worked in the last 4? And even if Biden wins the election, will he be able to govern afterwards or will there be another coup attempt that may work better this time?

When you focus on electoralism as the core strategy, you're playing the wrong game. There is no safe option to vote for trans rights in the US. The American left needs to prepare for worst case scenarios instead of putting its hopes in an eroding system that never was designed to serve their interests in the first place. There needs to be real thought put into all possible outcomes, what to do under another Biden term, what to do when Trump gets elected and what to do when he steals the election, and all of these scenarios are dire for trans people and require strategies that lie outside electoral politics.

[-] BynarsAreOk@hexbear.net 18 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I'm not telling Americans not to vote for Biden in November, i honestly may do so if i was Amerikan, but i'd probably do so by mail-in ballot from abroad because if i would live in Amerika, my top priority would be to get the fuck out.

This is absolutely true because of climate change alone, if you're in any way selfish we must admit we lost, we already lost a long time ago, its only up to how we cope and make things a little bit better. If you can move abroad there are better options and if you absolutely must stay in NA then be concious that the choices you make now are choices you're going to regreat even 10 years from now not 25 not 50 years like we previously thought back in 2000s. Though I guess nobody realizes its been 25 years already and nothing was done since the early 2000's climate treaties etc. We are halfway there already. Scary isn't it?

2023-24 will smash temperature records, it will prove the models are all wrong, nothing will be done and everything happening in Gaza will repeated in the US. People are still traumatized by how the west doesn't care about COVID anymore too.

Make absolutely no mistake liberals would not cry one bit if government troops start shooting at chuds looking for aid relief after [insert newest unprecedented hurricane/storm here], all it would take is a premise and an excuse. "Oh they were rebelling actualy so its good" and vice versa.

In that context whatever party is at the helm will make little difference 10-15 years from now IMO.

[-] assyrian@hexbear.net 18 points 7 months ago

I'm not telling Americans not to vote for Biden in November, i honestly may do so if i was Amerikan, but i'd probably do so by mail-in ballot from abroad because if i would live in Amerika, my top priority would be to get the fuck out.

where would you go?

[-] AutomatedPossum@hexbear.net 11 points 7 months ago

Ireland probably, but it's a tough call, the situation for trans people isn't exactly ideal anywhere.

[-] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Thailand seems like a decent choice if you can make it there

They were ahead of the curve on trans rights for long before the western libs started pretending to care and their new pro LGBT law is almost as based as Cuba's

The fact that it's a tropical paradise with some of the best cuisine in the world is just bonus

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