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What Samsung phones come without google apps and google play services installed?
None of them.
So you’re just contradicting yourself then, and admitting it…….
...nope
You're conflating having them with "have to have" them.
No I’m not. They have to have them because google forces them on all phones that have google play services.
You seem confused. Do you even understand what’s being discussed here?
Samsung do not sell a single phone that doesn’t have all the google bloat apps on it. You can’t remove them. You disagreed, then agreed, then disagreed within 3 posts.
No they don't.
You're the one who is confused. I've been saying the same thing the whole time: that "Google bloat" is not required. I know because I don't have it and have removed it from several devices.
You keep reiterating that none of them don't have this Google software, as if it contradicts the previous statement, but it does not.
Once again, having this software doesn't mean that they have to have this software.
This is the last time I'll be repeating myself.
They literally do. It's part of the licensing for using Google Play Services.
https://www.androidauthority.com/google-oem-licensing-345806/
If that's what you've been saying then again, you're 100% demonstrably wrong. Removing it is not the same as it not being there in the first place. Rooting a device or using ADB to remove something doesn't mean it's "not removable" in the way that people talk about it.
You are 100% wrong and making a fool of yourself. If Samsung want to release a phone with Google Play Services, which is needed to run most android apps, they have to include 20+ Google apps and make them non-removable. If you think this is wrong, you are wrong.