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I don't know if this is going to speak to many here, I hope it does, but it's good anyway in the process of trying to understand what dialectical science would look like, as opposed to our current outlook on science which is metaphysical.

By which I don't mean the scientific method, or scientists themselves, but science as a whole and as itself. If we hold that it doesn't exist outside society (and of course it doesn't), then science has a philosophical character. Metaphysics being the contradiction to dialectics, it's also not the philosophy of the bourgeoisie but rather the philosophy that was the most advanced, the most usable for people's needs, before we discovered dialectics. Much like we first learned to make stone tools before we learned to make them with metal, we first had to know metaphysics and idealism before we could know dialectics and materialism.

Today, science is taught metaphysically; it is seen metaphysically, it's practiced metaphysically, and we take that as fact. We have trouble seeing science any other way because this way makes sense to us, it's all we know.

If you were already aware of this character (studying in isolation, with observations and facts plucked out of their dialectical process and studied by themselves), this question should make sense to you. How do we rethink science in a way that is dialectical. Basically, in a way that we are still doing and studying science, but dialectically?

And of course I don't mean generalities like "it would be placing dialectics back in science", I want to see how far we can struggle with it.

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[-] bunkyprewster@startrek.website 9 points 5 months ago

What do you mean by metaphysical? I'm not sure I really understand all the philosophical terms but I've always thought of mainstream science as positivist.

[-] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 5 months ago

In this context we mean it is "isolated" or "in a vacuum".

[-] TraschcanOfIdeology@hexbear.net 2 points 5 months ago

I've always thought of mainstream science as positivist.

Agreed. The question could be what does a Marxist philosophy of science and epistemology look like

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