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You are equating hiring someone who makes and sells their own porn to hiring someone who subscribes to a hateful, violent ideology. They absolutely aren't the fucking same. One is a legal adult legally providing a digital service to other legal adults, and the other is a member of a group known specifically for violence to advance racial superiority. Only one of those people does anything that could ever lead to another person being harmed or threatened, and as such only one of them should be driven out of society by any means necessary. This is not a "both sides" thing, this is discrimination against someone who has caused no harm, plain and simple.
Hi, new guy in the convo, dont point your guns at me, just wanted to point out the irony of you saying this after openly admitting you wouldn't even read the other person's comment in full
Sounds like you don't really understand either very well then. Get off your intellectual high horse. We're not debating the definition of irony like it's 2003. And if you can't see how in your case your reading comp issues "don't count" but in their case they're having some sort of personal failing then I don't know what to tell you. Since you're so smart why don't you go read up on the self-serving bias so you can throw that term around later without engaging in introspection too. At the end of it all you will still have failed to comprehend the meaning of what someone wrote to you, whether it's because you didn't try hard enough, you're too lazy, or too stupid. Failing grade is a failing grade. Ugh I'm tired of these high school report card metrics. But I guess coupling the high school language with the intellectual arrogance and poor attitude it reveals a lot about the level of maturity you're bringing to this conversation.
If you think they're right to fire her for porn say they're right for firing her for porn. Don't say they're right for firing her because nazis exist, that's an excuse not a reason.
We have the technology to tell apart porn makers and nazis, we don't need to treat them equally.
And why do you think they should be equated to nazis when they exercise that right?
they didn't equate anyone to nazis.
the only people equated were the employers, the real ones from the story, and the hypothetical ones from his comparison.
no employers were nazis nor equated to them.
Ok so now it's the employers who made the nazi comparison, that's progress. Maybe at some point we'll get you to admit you made a dumb comparison.
That's a different person, genius
Nobody compared anything, for the love of god
"I support companies having this right because if they didn't I'd be forced to work with Nazis more often" is a very straightforward concept
A straightforward concept and also a wrong one. Not firing people for one thing doesn't mean not firing people for any other thing including being a fucking Nazi.
the only nazi here is you, Himmler.
I'm saying we shouldn't. Are you saying that teacher is any of those people? There shouldn't be a blank rule that people and corporations can exploit to do whatever the fuck they want.
You need to look up protected classes as well, they're broader than you seem to think. It's just as illegal to discriminate against people white people, straight people, men, etc. Because protected classes cover discrimination based on race, sex, etc without specifying which sexes, races, etc are protected because all of them are.
Do I want the entity whose reason for existing is to decide which behaviors are acceptable and infringe people's rights to decide which behaviors are acceptable? Would be nice, but I like your suggestion where I get to choose. Either of those is better than a black check for a person or corporation to fire you for whatever reason they decide is against their "values"
Actually, I decided to edit and delete this, im done with this
No. I'm pretty sure we went over that 3 times already.
4 times now. Do I hear 5?
Right, instead you think companies should be free to fire people for certain beliefs and off hours behavior, but only ones you don't approve of. As opposed to the current environment where individual private entities are allowed to choose what behaviors and beliefs they don't approve of, within some limits.
you're not the smartest tool in the shed, are you?
are you a nazi? is this why you're trying to defend them so much?
That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
First tell me why you should be able to infringe on people's rights because of your beliefs instead of generally recognized protections. You know, the same point homophobes make to not serve gay people.
Don't worry. I'm not making a comparison 😉
Good for you. So everyone who isn't a protected class might as well be nazis when it comes to protections.
Except the cases about homophobes refusing to serve gay people aren't about refusing to serve gay people generally - they're about refusing to engage in speech they oppose on commission. The case with the homophobic baker wasn't refusing to sell a gay couple a cake off the shelf - they were refusing to accept a commission to create a custom cake, and a lot of their argument was over whether or not a cake design is speech in the same way an artwork is and whether the 1st Amendment trumps anti-discrimination laws.