The invasion was never about suppressing fascism. Russia is as bad an actor as the United States has been generally, worse realistically. (Annexing many many countries at gunpoint post world war II. Slaughtering many in gulags for simple dissent. Invading, Afghanistan etc etc etc etc etc etc etc. ) Neither one is good. And we should not be justifying either one.

In this one situation, however. While the United States isn't strictly the good guy. They are more in the right than Russia is.

[–] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

The US and Russia aren't equivalent at all.

The USSR directly funded and supported national liberation movements against the US all over the world. Vietnam, Cuba, Korea, Bangladesh, Palestinian resistance organizations like the PFLP, etc; even directly supplied wars against "israel" for that last one. Afganistan is about the only one where the US and USSR funding opposite sides turned it into a warzone instead.

Russia's interests are still broadly aligned with most of the world against Imperial core countries. While they're not socialist anymore and have thus stopped funding Vietnam, PFLP etc because it's not profitable for the capitalists that are now in power since the USSR's overthrow, they continue to support the sovereignty of Global South countries like Syria, Venezuela, etc, and are a core part of BRICS.

There's a reason sentiment like this is common in third world countries.

gulags

Despite being a country relatively fleshly out of a revolution and a civil war, and bearing the brunt of the nazis and the largest war in recent history, the USSR had less prisoners by both percentage and raw numbers than capitalist countries like the US.

The socialist government met workers' needs far better than capitalist countries, or the post-Soviet capitalist countries, and made great strides in advancing women's rights. Cuba, which uses essentially the same political system as the USSR, currently has better LGBT rights than the neighboring USA despite the brutal sanctions and embargoes put on it, and its likely what those rights would be like in the USSR now if it wasn't overthrown.

No wonder then that 78% of its population voted to stay in the USSR right before it was illegally dissolved. (Page 1647)

Alot of this social and economic progress has since been undone with the USSR's overthrow, with forced privatization under capitalist rule and the unmitigated rise of the christfascist church.

Human Rights in the Soviet Union: Including Comparisons with the U.S.A. by Albert Szymanski

How Capitalism Destroyed Russia

In this one situation [...] United States [...] are more in the right than Russia is

In the right for backing a fascist coup, the killing of Eastern Ukrainians for resisting, and meticulously blocking off all options other than a proxy war?

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[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago

Didn't Russia invade Afghanistan first which caused Osama to go there in the first place? Then after the Taliban beat Russia with American support, America invaded Afghanistan themselves.

Afghanistan is the pinnacle of getting screwed over by imperialism from superpowers.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world -2 points 8 months ago

That's a long list of strawmen. Whataboutism is no defense. And that's all you got. Whether or not the US jails more people. Doesn't excuse the brutally and abuses of ML countries and the fascist states they evolve into more often than not. I'm sure you honestly forgot 2 weeks ago. Where the modern Russia you enable and defend. Killed a political prisoner after repeated assassination attempts. Again, this is not a defense of the US. Just pointing out your blatant hypocrisy.

It's also quaint that you think a fascist like Putin was somehow benevolently concerned about other fascists. It was a bullshit excuse from the day he made it.

If you honestly think the USSR were liberators. I suggest you go talk to actual former Soviet block countries who lived under it. And finally got liberated from it. There's a reason they tore down all those monuments and statues erected by the murderous autocratic politburo.