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The world has experienced its hottest day on record, according to meteorologists.

The average global temperature reached 17.01C (62.62F) on Monday, according to the US National Centres for Environmental Prediction.

The figure surpasses the previous record of 16.92C (62.46F) - set back in August 2016.

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[-] pedalmore@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

Yes and no, I think. Obviously one single person can't make a tangible difference all by themselves, but to stop the thought process there does a massive disservice to the importance of collective action. It doesn't take all that many people to affect change, both politically and culturally. Join CCL (US focus here), vote and advocate for carbon fee and dividend and other beneficial policies, buy less shit you don't need, ride a bike if you can, and if you have the means electrify your home/vehicle and support more ethical companies. Basically, don't blame BP if you're putting 20 gallons of their shit in your 4runner every week so you can commute to an office job with a permanent rooftop tent and a "save our winters" sticker on the back (yes I live in the front range). You're not responsible for all of humanity, but you are responsible for your own actions when you have the means to choose a less carbon intensive option.

[-] _wintermute@lemmy.world 45 points 1 year ago

This is just propaganda from the 90s/00s. The amount of carbon that any one middle class home generates is nothing compared to the private jet class and the corporate desolation of the environment. I hate capitalism. I hate consumerism. I hate cars. But don't act like the onus is on what basically amounts to a peasant class that already pays for almost everything and does nearly all of the work (the middle class). It's systemic greed, deregulation, and industrial rape of the world's resources by shit governments and corporations that have put us here. Stop making the middle class responsible for something they have no power to change even though most of us are anxious as fuck about it. If enough individuals can simultaneously change their carbon footprint to the point that it actually affects the coming consequences, then we should have just formed a general strike already to reverse capitalism caused climate change. But we didn't.

[-] Dyf_Tfh@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The carbon emission from anyone in a developed country is a gargantuan amount compared to the poorest people on earth, especially if you consider the share of CO2 emissions since the industrial revolution.

The "private jet class" you are talking about is the "peasant class" of the developed countrles.

No one want to be accountable, corporate blame it on consumers, consumer blame it on corporate, and the state doesn't want to act because they fear the backslash from both citizens and corporations.

We urgently need drastic change that will undoubtedly and severely lower our quality of life. No magic tech is coming to save us.

[-] _wintermute@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

The "private jet class" you are talking about is the "peasant class" of the developed countrles.

???

[-] WhiteHawk@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Don't you know that people living on minimum wage in the US are all flying private jets?

[-] neanderthal@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

It is all the corporations but not how anyone thinks. Corporations want you to buy things. That is all. Corporations shifted it to the consumer with the whole reduce, reuse, recycle thing. The average person in the US buys way too many things. The FIRE movement recognized this in the 2010s. Joe Dominguez and Vicki Robin figured it out before they wrote the book Your Money or Your Life in the 1990s. Every dollar you spend = emissions.

Last, I present the great George Carlin:

https://youtu.be/KLODGhEyLvk

[-] Dyf_Tfh@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 year ago

I agree, we need to reverse the conspicuous consumerism that was promoted by corporate marketing departments. This is not going to be a simple task.

[-] pedalmore@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago

No, it's propaganda to absolve people from their collective responsibility and blame the nebulous capitalist and corporatism boogeymen while ignoring things they actually can accomplish, like voting for policies and regulations that will have an actual impact. The Soviet Union and China have emitted a shit ton of carbon, but I suppose that's all capitalism's fault too. Your post is a walking contradiction - people have no responsibility or agency and shouldn't bother doing anything, yet are also supposed to general strike and fix everything. Your attitude is pro-status quo and therefore serves the entrenched interests you claim to be rallying against.

[-] _wintermute@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

like voting for policies and regulations

Ahh yes, the "just vote harder" argument. Speaking of "pro-status quo" lmao. What is your next advice to those of us who already vote (which is the bare minimum, not some silver bullet that ends all of our problems)?

Climate crisis, corporate ownership of government, and governmental corruption are all reality because you didn't vote enough, you stupid idiots! /s

[-] pedalmore@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Considering huge numbers of people don't vote at all, and many others that do vote against their self interests and for their short term gain over environmental policies, we collectively have a lot of work to do on this front. I agree voting is the bare minimum but it bears repeating since we suck at it.

If you actually care about my "next advice", you should be writing your reps, nationally and locally, on a regular basis, you should organize with groups like CCL, and you should get involved in local transportation and housing policy discussions. What's your job/career? Can you enact any change there, or move to a job that has more opportunity? I could go on and on. Not attacking you personally, but most folks I've met with the doom and gloom, not my problem attitude don't do fuck all.

You're asking me what people can do and I've given multiple examples. What are your ideas? All I'm hearing is we should have done a general strike and killed capitalism, as if cheap natural gas is only a problem when a capitalist burns it for profit.

[-] raresbears@iusearchlinux.fyi 10 points 1 year ago

Calling to individual action to solve climate change is literally the status quo

[-] pedalmore@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

Many things can be the status quo at once. I'm just tired of binary, weak thinking that blames any one party 100% and absolves all others, which is why I started my original post with "yes and no". It's not productive, and it's already crystal clear what we need to do as a society - go read Drawdown for a simple primer on decarbonization and what needs to happen. If people actually did the individual action thing en masse it would have a real effect (not enough in isolation of course) but surprise, lots of people don't actually give a shit and hide behind their nihilism and the "corporations are the real problem" thing. Folks should focus on enacting policies first, then individual actions where they can. Doing nothing is, well, worth nothing.

[-] Akulagr@vlemmy.net 13 points 1 year ago

I've been trying to make changes to my consuming habits for a good number of years in pro of contributing (however small it might be) to the climate change fight. But, just as on wintermule says in the comments. It might be a lost fight for us mere individuals.

Just look at the data and then you'll realise that corporatins have been screwing the planet for a long long time now.

[-] min0nim@aussie.zone -1 points 1 year ago

It’s not a lost fight at all. The largest single contributors to global warming are :

  1. Driving ICE cars.
  2. Electrical power from fossil

It’s very easy for people to make some choices to put a huge dent in both of these…if they want to.

The sad fact is that when confronted by this, most people I speak so make excuses about why they couldn’t possibly make changes to their own lives.

Yes, these are systemic issues. But don’t pretend you’re powerless - that’s just a fucking cop-out.

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