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A place to share screenshots of Microblog posts, whether from Mastodon, tumblr, ~~Twitter~~ X, KBin, Threads or elsewhere.

Created as an evolution of White People Twitter and other tweet-capture subreddits.

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  1. Your post must be a screen capture of a microblog-type post that includes the UI of the site it came from, preferably also including the avatar and username of the original poster. Including relevant comments made to the original post is encouraged.
  2. Your post, included comments, or your title/comment should include some kind of commentary or remark on the subject of the screen capture. Your title must include at least one word relevant to your post.
  3. You are encouraged to provide a link back to the source of your screen capture in the body of your post.
  4. Current politics and news are allowed, but discouraged. There MUST be some kind of human commentary/reaction included (either by the original poster or you). Just news articles or headlines will be deleted.
  5. Doctored posts/images and AI are allowed, but discouraged. You MUST indicate this in your post (even if you didn't originally know). If an image is found to be fabricated or edited in any way and it is not properly labeled, it will be deleted.
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[–] tkk13909@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I may have misread the end of your comment but are you implying that a market can exist without private property?

[–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Not implying, outright stating!

Colloquially private property means like "stuff I have exclusive or near exclusive rights to" but that's not what we mean when we talk economic systems. Something like your clothing, or that neat pot you made is personal property. Private property is a legal construct wherein someone is allowed to claim ownership over means of production, like "this field is mine, it doesn't matter if I'm using it or not, I have the legal right to control what happens there".

So an example of a market without private property might be something like:

  • a field is held in Commons by a town
  • a farming collective submits to work it
  • they grow some potatoes
  • the community recognises their right to the fruits of their labour
  • they go to potato-lack town and sell some potatoes

Obvs that's simplified but it's a rough sketch of how farming used to work! you earned a right to use land by using it directly and what you grew on it was yours to do as you see fit (often a maniac with a horse and sword would take some portion first though. Because they're just better than you or whatever)

[–] tkk13909@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So what changes personal property to a "means of production"?

[–] jlou@mastodon.social 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

A market can exist without private property by having capital be collectively owned and continuously up for auction to the highest bidder. Basically, each holder of means of production self-assess the price at which they would be willing to turn over that capital to another party, they pay a lease payment based on a percentage of that self-assessed price, and if someone comes along willing to pay that self-assessed price, require that they turn it over to that party

[–] PRUSSIA_x86@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Maybe I'm not getting it, bu that just sounds like capitalism with extra steps.

[–] jlou@mastodon.social 2 points 2 years ago

In what I described, the differences are:

  1. Buyers can compel current holders to transfer the asset to them if they pay enough. This reduces the power of capital holders.
  2. All self-assessed prices of all capital are public
  3. A large portion of the value of capital flows into a collective fund

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