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Why Are People Hating on Julian Assange? (lemm.ee)

submitted 8 months ago by pineapplelover@lemm.ee to c/outoftheloop@lemmy.world

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I thought he was like one of the most important whistleblowers of our time exposing war crimes and shit. Some of you don't wanna see him live another day, why is that?

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[–] xor@infosec.pub 18 points 8 months ago (2 children)

that didn't happen... he was never actually accused of rape, and the women who had complained about him retracted their complaints and said they were used as part of a political conspiracy against him.

he had condoms break while having sex with two different women who didn't know about each other. it was a questionable coincidence, there was a question about if he had torn condoms on purpose... the women had only wanted him to be compelled to take an hiv test.

now tell me more about why you found "multiple allegations" credible????!?

that has been quite publicly disproven for quite some time now...

[–] iAmTheTot@kbin.social 17 points 8 months ago (1 children)

the women who had complained about him retracted their complaints and said they were used as part of a political conspiracy against him.

Could you please source this claim?

[–] xor@infosec.pub 2 points 8 months ago (3 children)

The WSWS continued: “The reason why there are still no charges placed against Assange is that the claims made by his accusers are not credible. His relations with the two women were consensual... An initial investigation of August 20, 2010 was dropped and an arrest warrant against Assange cancelled the next day by one of Stockholm’s chief prosecutors, Eva Finne, who said in a statement to the press: ‘I don’t think there is reason to suspect that he has committed rape.’ The reissue of the warrant took place only after the intervention of Swedish Chief Prosecutor Marianne Ny on September 1, 2010.”

see also: assange was interviewed in sweden by prosecutors, was given permission to leave, and then the warrant was issued after he left...
assange claimed there were secret charges being brought against him in america, and this was all a pretext to get him extradited there, as sweden has very automatic extradition treaties with the us...
after they ecuador was taken over by fascists and assange was kicked out of asylum, wouldn't you know it but america began their extradition process...

after looking into it, it seems only one woman retracted her accusations... but that doesn't change a whole lot as: he wasn't charge, they only requested him for questioning, dropped the charges... and the timing is a little more than suspicious....

if he were a rapist, yeah then i'd be against him, of course... but if you break it all down, with a timeline of what they released on whom, it's hard to take such accusations at face value.

here, we have Sweden officially dropping charges (again) in 2019. Because

the evidence "has weakened considerably."

as in, the one other person the cia was paying to accuse him had changed her story? maybe? we'll never know... the one person who continued, her story never changed and was never discredited ("credible")...
so, it's still a very bad maybe...
but again, give who and what he was leaking info on (us war crimes, entire u.s. embassy secret cables, the cia's illegal "vault 7" spying stuff), one has to actually have really solid proof to consider negative publicity about this person... i'm sure he's very flawed, but to just believe, on faith, these accusations is kinda whack...
(p.s. the Vault 7 leaker was "caught" with CSAM on his computer... which is a surprising coincidence and something that makes it taboo to talk about him at all anymore... also odd that a cia contractor with access to all of the cia's hacking tools, wasn't able to hide his own files, but i digress)

another strange coincidence happened in 2019 with assange

On 11 April 2019, Ecuador revoked his asylum, he was arrested for failing to appear in court, and carried out of the Embassy by members of the London Metropolitan Police.[391] Following his arrest, the US revealed a previously sealed 2018 US indictment in which Assange was charged with conspiracy to commit computer intrusion

oh, and as to who he was leaking info on using fake and/or trumped up sex charges to make silence them, i would like to cite the Dead Kennedy's "I Am the Owl"[1981]

I am your plumber, no I never went away I still bug your bedrooms and pick up everything you say It can be a boring job To monitor all day your excess talk I hear when you're drinking and cheating on your lonely wife I play tape recordings of you to my friends at night We've got our girl in bed with you You're on candid camera, we just un-elected you, ha I am the owl I seek out the foul Wipe 'em away, keep America free For clean-livin' folks like me, hey, hey

[–] iAmTheTot@kbin.social 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

after looking into it, it seems only one woman retracted her accusations…

I asked if you could source the claim that the women did this. Now you say only one did, and you still have not provided a source. I read your entire comment and the linked article.

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[–] NotAtWork@startrek.website 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

the evidence “has weakened considerably.

Despite her decision, Persson said in a news conference in Stockholm on Tuesday that she found the account of the alleged victim to be credible.

"I would like to emphasize that the injured party has submitted a credible and reliable version of events. Her statements have been coherent, extensive and detailed," Persson said. She added, "However, my overall assessment is that the evidential situation has been weakened to such an extent that there is no longer any reason to continue the investigation." The Swedish inquiry's initial phase extended from 2010 to 2017. Persson said the long delay played a role in her decision, noting the difficulty of extracting reliable accounts from witnesses after such a long delay — particularly in a high-profile case that has been widely covered by the media.

It's amazing what happens when you read the rest of the article and don't just pick one out of context quote.