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You Need Way Less EV Range Than You Think: Study
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Batteries are absolutely not more complex than an internal combustion car. They’re newer, but not more complex.
Why is it that all the batteries are the things that fail in these designs?
And why is it that the gasoline engine lasts for a decade or longer, with very few repair issues? In fact, when was the last time you heard of an old car where the engine needed to be replaced?
When old cars break down, its the suspensions, the belts... radiator (those things rust / break surprisingly often), etc. etc. Its not really the ICE parts that break down.
Check engine lights, oil leaks, coolant leaks transmission leaks, timing belts, timing chains, thermostats, water pumps, compression leaks, vacuum leaks, catalytic converters, oxygen sensors, ignition coils , spark plugs, spark plug wires, distributors, fuel pumps, fuel filters, fuel leaks, cracked block, thrown rod, warped crankshaft, scorn cam shaft, cam phasers, differentials, transmission problems and on.. and on…
These are just SOME of the repairs that are common to ONLY gas vehicles and you won’t have any of these problems with an EV.
And yet...
https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-reliability-owner-satisfaction/electric-vehicles-are-less-reliable-than-conventional-cars-a1047214174/
You can theorycraft all you want. I have hard stats.
You don’t have any stats. You have a link to a consumer reports article based off a survey…
Let me show you how flawed that is:
I’m going to hold a survey of my household to see how many people say you are wrong.
The results are in! 100% of the people surveyed said you’re wrong!
Consumer Report's survey is considered one of the best in the business. The name speaks for itself.
If you don't want to believe it, then whatever. Feel free to give me the stats behind your discussion points.
I already have. Here are the stats again:
Gas vehicles have complex combustion engines, transmissions, differentials, emission systems all of which require maintenance and can leak fluids that are expensive to fix. All of which are common points of failure. Everyone I know owns a car and all of their cars have had problems with one or more of these systems. These are all facts that are common knowledge and don’t need any supporting evidence.
EVs have 1 common point of failure. The battery. That’s because there isn’t anything else to break on them. They’re simple and durable.
That's not stats. That's a paragraph of nonsense.
"Stats" means statistics. Go see which parts are failing out there. I brought up Consumer Reports survey that has 300,000+ cars as part of their yearly study. I dunno exactly what you think has a better statistic than Consumer Reports survey, but I'm curious.
What parts of cars are failing? Across different brands, across different designs, etc. etc. Is there any pattern?
Answer: I already told you above, and have posted the articles and survey results.
All you did was post an article about a survey that reinforces what I said:
The only thing that goes bad on EVs is the battery because nothing else breaks.
That’s not the case on gas vehicles cause everything breaks on them. INCLUDING the battery.
There's no control arm failures in Teslas? There's no rust on cybertrucks? There's no complaints about malfunctioning wiper blades? There's no complaints about phantom braking? There are no spurious battery failures that leave people stranded on the side of the road? There's no 12V battery failures that lock the car?
There's lots of reasons why any car, electric or ICE, could fail. So instead of theorycrafting it all, I suggest the following.
Run a survey
Ask people what failed in the survey.
Tally up the results.
Survey says? Batteries are the part that most commonly breaks. EV components in general are the least reliable (be it EV Motor in Tesla Model S, Battery packs in most EV or electrified designs, 800V chargers hooked up to other systems, and the like). All in all, the least reliable vehicle you can buy is an EV, while... strangely enough... Hybrid vehicles rank on the top of reliability.
That's survey data, pragmatic, what has actually happened. Its not 2015 anymore where talking out your ass about theoretical complexity is useful anymore. Its 2024, we can look back at the last 9 years of EVs and see what has failed.
Control arms, rust, wiper blades? You’re trying to make EVs look bad by complaining about parts that are also on gas vehicles…
At this point it is so obvious you are shilling that everyone else in this thread can see it.
You got me. I'm a shill. Auto companies pay me $1 million / day to make detailed posts on Lemmy to spread pro-ICE messages and tick off EV fanbois.
It's a grand conspiracy. And it's all unraveled because you honestly and accurately attacked me over an internet post. Congrats
Ya I know
These aren’t hard stats my friend, it’s Consumer Reports.
Hybrids are the most reliable. That's my point.
The overall numbers are a bit misleading yes. But...
So its still possible to pick out reliable PHEVs with research (and EVs I guess). But all this "Hybrids are more complex" is a crock of bullshit. They're literally the most reliable vehicle on the market when taken as a whole.
Not my experience.
I'm glad you have experience. But I'm far more likely to trust Consumer Reports and their published experience than your individual experience.