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First of all, your system is broken. Second, what is a Palestinian American supposed to do? Biden is literally providing the ammunition to kill their families. Trump isn’t any better, but that doesn’t mean voting for another genocidal maniac is a viable option.
You asking Palestinian/Muslim Americans to simply look past that is a very self centered perspective. You say then people will be deported and thrown into camps. That’s what Palestinians were fleeing from in the first place. They fled before, they’ll do it again if they have to. They’re living in diaspora anyway. So do the millions of other Muslim Americans who are here because of Western geopolitics.
You on the other hand who try to bully them into voting for Biden because it serves your purpose, have nowhere to go. If you want progress for your country and you consider Biden only the lesser evil. Instead of bullying fellow Americans into serving your purpose, why don’t you focus on your common goal instead? Respect their opinion, support their cause.
Join their protests against Biden, pressurize him into stopping the genocide, pressurize the DNC into sending someone else as their presidential candidate.
The only realistic options have the same result on foreign policy with Israel, so you're not voting to influence that. The president is not just one policy, it's their entire platform of policies that determines how the country runs for the next 4 years. It's always better to choose the lesser of two evils than to allow the greater evil to have a greater chance to win.
Which means we must reach for unrealistic results; we must change the system by means other than election. A new constitutional convention must be called.
Agreed, America has one of the oldest (and therefore most outdated) democracies in the world. Unfortunately we also have a lot of nationalism that reverses our founders as gods not to be questioned, and that thinks the constitution was meant to be largely immutable. If you have a way to overhaul our constitution that doesn't require massive civil unrest, I'll be there to support it
Yeah that’s true. But the deal was always that Palestinian/Muslim voters accept that they are the victims of geopolitics and in return there’s at least some kind of support.
But with Biden giving Israel the opportunity to commit an outright genocide in front of the world, he has crossed a line. We have reached a point where a „both sides bad“ and „it’s complicated“ policy just doesn’t work anymore.
If we elect Biden in this election there will be future elections where the the voices of Palestinian and Muslim Americans can be heard. If Trump wins America will become a fascist dictatorship. This dictatorship will green light Israel to completely ethnically cleanse the Gaza strip.
I support the Palestinian people. However, abandoning democracy will not help anyone. Instead, millions of people will die. Withholding our votes only demonstrates our demographics are not reliable constituents. It does not bring the Democratic Party further to the left, as they instead focus on moderate voters. We must protest and be politically active between elections if we want better candidates to vote for on election day.
Who did the Palestinian Americans vote for in previous elections? There has never been a pro-Palestine POTUS. Ever.
I guess you would rather vote for Hitler, after all he would not support Isreal I guess…
Ah and may I remind you who recognized Jerusalem as capital of Israel. Trump would be the first to bomb any country for you, if you sleep for a week in one of his hotels.
Dish they don't want logic! Muh cause!
Palestinian Americans should be pushing for the removal of Hamas. That's clearly their best path to peace and prosperity, yet.... the outwardly genocidal leadership of the Gaza strip seems to be quite politically safe and supported internationally.
Yes just kiss the boot and the IDF won't kill you... Today.
I'm not a terrorist so I'm not at risk of being killed by the IDF.
It's really not that difficult to not be a terrorist or a terrorist supporter. There's a couple of million Arabs living in Israel that are a wonderful proof of concept for this theory.
Literally another story about the IDF shooting a civilian dropped yesterday. Holding a white flag and walking slowly towards them because he needed to get his wife out of the combat zone. Such terrorism!
You mean the unverified video that shows someone being shot? We've seen Hamas shooting civilians, if it's the video going around the other day there's no way to determine who was shooting. Send me the link if you can.
And ITV is just in the business of lying? Fuck off with your conspiracy theory level defense of warcrimes.
Ahh, so you're not going to back up your claims. Typical of those who get their information from social media. No conspiracy here, just looking for facts. You don't have any.
In not going to debate reality itself. It's a headline news item. Go read the one of the articles.
I've read them. They're mostly conjecture and not backed by much at all. I've also witnessed clear video showing Hamas shooting people holding White flags which is why I'm curious which video you're talking about and whether it shows something or like many, shows a war and lacks any ability to attribute the shot to anyone in particular.
Yup it's just all conjecture. Fuck off.