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Yes we are. The real one... not the fantasy one you were sold.
How far to the right was the German politicians that sicced the far-right on the German populace during the socialist uprisings after WW1, Clyde? You seem to be under the impression that your (so-called) "moderates" and "liberals" have never allied themselves with fascists - and that's quite laughable because Germany is the ur-example that perfectly demonstrates what function the fascist element plays in the modern classical liberal nation-state... and why liberal political establishments keep them around.
In fact... fascists cannot gain power without the aid of (supposedly) "moderate" political establishments unlocking the gates for them. Nothing surprising about that... after all - liberals and fascists share the same end-goal... the preservation of their precious status quo.
And we know how allergic liberals are to getting their hands bloody, don't we, Clyde?
Oh look... the "centrist understander" thinks they have a leg to stand on. Let's put that to the test, shall we?
I guess Hamas only recruits Inuits and Mongolians, then?
Lol! Yeah... they allowed Jewish and Slavic labor during the war, too.
Centrist, do you have anything to justify your fairy tale peddling that doesn't just exist out of the same canned and thoroughly debunked liberal bullcrap I've heard a thousand times before?
Projection. You call everything fascist you don't agree with it. You are like someone who calls everything gay that you don't like. For you, a capitalist country is fascist including social democrats like Scandinavia. The fantasy one sold to you is if the world is democratic socialist or communist then only it can't be fascist. You are embodying precisely what Slavoj Zizek comments, a naive, high-on-the-horse leftist who hasn't touched grass. Come back when you educate yourself.
Do you realise there is PLO? Of course not, you just repeat whatever is said like a parrot.
Lol! Are we getting a bit flustered, enlightened centrist?
Come now... be honest. What were you doing when antifa was throwing down with fascists in the streets?
Want me to take a stab at it? I'd guess you were heckling those antifascists real hard, weren't you? After all... how dare those troublemakers invite real fascism by harrassing those totally not-neo-nazis and their police allies while they were innocently walking down the streets, eh?
Fascists can always find a use for centrists... after all - it's pretty much proven that centrists pose no threat to them. That must be a pretty comforting thought for you.
Can't rebut anything and resort to usual lefty parroting points and buzzwords. Can't admit you don't know anything about the wider world apart from the naive lefty narrative you just regurgitate. Sure, call everything gay on anything you don't like. That's how you were conditioned. You pretend you're not a bigot but you are. Come back to the big boy's table when you've grown up. Oh wait... probably too late for you.
And I am guessing you only condone violence if it only serves you. So are you condoning Hamas taking foreign hostages who have nothing to do with the conflict? Least critical thinking troll.
Oh, you are absolutely correct, centrist - I cannot rebut the "see no fascism, hear no fascism, speak no fascism" fairy tale you are peddling. That is, after all, the point of this particular fairy tale, is it not?
But, as the recent collapse of the pro-Israeli propaganda consensus has demonstrated, you might find that your fairy tale convinces fewer and fewer people going forward.
I suggest you keep an eye on your copium stocks - you might need more than you think.
Did you just tacitly admit you support Hamas taking hostages by not acknowledging it? Do you support violence only if it agrees with you?
You just showed you have zero knowledge of the world other than what World Socialist Website tells you to think.
Most critical thinking tankie.
I'm perfectly fine with Hamas taking prisoners - oops, sorry, I forgot we only call them prisoners when states do it.
Sooooo... there was something you were going to flex about, centrist?
Oh look... the enlightened centrist understander predictably doesn't understand the terms they are throwing around.
Yawn.
It's not crime to take foreign nationals that have no stakes in conflict if your side does it. Spoken like a true tankie.
They knew what they were doing when they patronized a white supremacist settler-colonialist state.
I've never bothered to find out... can you actually see the walls of the world's largest concentration camp from the venue they were holding that rave festival at?
Oh look… the enlightened centrist understander predictably still doesn’t understand the terms they are throwing around.
Yawn... again.
Oh lord, whatever you say tankie.
I wouldn't appeal to Jesus if I was you, centrist - being neither hot nor cold famously did not appeal much to the world's most famous socialist.
Oh look… the enlightened centrist understander predictably still doesn’t understand the terms they are throwing around.
Yawn… again.
Well you don't need religion to have moral compass, but tankies certainly have none that much is clear.
Oh look… the enlightened centrist understander predictably still doesn’t understand the terms they are throwing around.
Yawn… again.