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[-] psvrh@lemmy.ca 8 points 10 months ago

I think the goal should be finding agreement amongst all political parties now

You won't get that. The right-wing in Canada, by virtue of following the path trodden by the US, has made compromise a dirty word.

Case in point: carbon taxes were the right-wing solution: it put the cost on the demand side, didn't require industry to do anything or be regulated, it just put a mild thumb on the demand side of the equation, and even returned revenue to the government which could be used for refunds or tax breaks. The left-wing solution would have been nationalization and regulation, but the Conservatives screamed about that and how we needed a market-based solution instead.

But because the Liberals did that same market-based solution, the Conservatives have to rail against it because...blue team good common sense socialism far left woke whaaaaargarbl.

Put it this way: the Liberals could go full US Second Amendment, cancel gun registration and tracking and give everyone over 18 a coupon for a free handgun and the Conservatives would still scream, and their base would do the same. This isn't new, and it's because tribalism is stronger than ideology, and all you need to do to get someone to agree with a "red team" idea is somehow convince them that it's a blue team idea.

This is what makes the political Right so infuriating: they could pipe the fuck down and agree to present a unified front on things that would make everything better, but they won't because they'd rather score cheap political points, instead.

[-] streetfestival@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago

Wow, you've given me a lot to think about, and I appreciate you sharing your insights.

I agree with your comments about the political Right, and that tribalism is generally stronger than critical thinking in most people (and - alarmingly - this trend appears to be increasing).

[-] psvrh@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 months ago

It isn't increasing per se, it's just being more ruthlessly exploited.

We've come out of a weird 50-70 period in history where the normal political consensus was...not normal...and all sides of the political quadrangle have been trying to figure out where they stand, economically and politically. There's actually been a lot more favour-trading and ideological drift as liberals, conservatives, anarchists and authoritarians all tried to figure out where they were on the map. What we've seen since the fall of the USSR and the neoliberal failure to address the 2008 financial crisis is just a kind of regression to the mean, where our "tribes" felt more secure staking out territory and establishing political shibboleths.

But yeah, the Right has been particularly unpleasant about it. In their defense, this is because the early-90s "triangulation" movement on the Left kind of cut the Right off at the knees--you could be a big-business douchebag and not care about what people smoked or slept with--and forced the powerbrokers on the Right, if they wanted to survive, to stake out illiberalism and nationalism as their safe space.

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