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submitted 1 year ago by TDCN@feddit.dk to c/fuck_cars@lemmy.ml

One of these has definitely hauled more than the other, and i guarantee you it's not the ford.

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[-] MammyWhammy@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

I will say non-automotive transport isn't really an option for a large portion of US Americans. Basically anyone who doesn't live within one of a few major cities will need access to a car for at least some of their transit needs.

The average commute in the US is 41 miles each day. This is largely along highways and stroads where cars are traveling 45-65 mph (70-100kph). Unless you have a death wish, walking, biking, and using a scooter isn't something anyone would do unless there were absolutely no options. If there is bus service (which isn't a given) it's usually infrequent (every 1-1.5 hours) and doesn't take you to where you need to go.

It's a systemic issue that's been implemented gradually over a few generations through policy and culture making. It can be reversed but it will take a generation or more to roll it back.

In my home state, the urban areas are trying to build out functioning transit systems, however it's difficult to get support as so many people think transit "brings the wrong kind of people" (aka poor and black people) to their neighborhood and fight it. But progress is being made. My city is breaking ground on a new BRT line next week.

Then when there is a cohesive project that could work and serve large portions of the state, the state government has killed it because "it only serves the cities and not the rural areas" although it very much is in the best interest of rural communities to have some sort of public transit.

We do have a train that runs service multiple times a day between the two largest cities in our state, with funding secured to expand it further. So that's a win.

The uphill battle we face in terms of transit is so many people have never experienced how great a functioning transit system is and won't look at those "socialist areas" (aka NYC, Europe, and parts of Asia) because they believe those places are evil, and if they can't use their car to get places they're having their freedom taken away from them.

[-] Peruvia@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is very well written and thoughrow answer, thank you. The average daily comute distance feels absolutely fucking insane to me, no wonder so many people are car dependant.

many people think transit "brings the wrong kind of people" (aka poor and black people) to their neighborhood and fight it.

I hate the system that is implied that opressed people shoud be hated, not the opressors themselves. People living below the means of wealth are the result of a failing system, one that doesn't cater to the well being of many, but to those of a few. I've seen beggars on highways with toddlers(not on the sides on the highway that's reserved for ambulances and such, but sitting against the wall that divides the ways) and I'd rather see them on public transport than there. I'm happy for the BRT line, that's incredible. I'm also happy for the people that get to experience public transport in these following years. Sure, at peak hours it may seem crowded, but getting fast where you need to be is amazing. I grew up using public transportation and can't imagine my life without it (as the city was designed to not be insanely large, and driving takes longer than using public transit). I mean, didn't people used to say in the 1800's that public roads are socialism and socialism bad ? It's like the bird who eats a biscuit and experiences bliss for the first time, public transit can be bliss.(and it's not like people here don't have cars, it's just that it's more convinient and fast to ride the subway for example, and leave cars for longer distance roads, like holiday trips. Using cars only when absolutely needed was ironically driven by lack of parking, existence of potholes, and infernal traffic). You have the freedom to own a car, it's just that the expenses can render you dry if you don't absolutely need it and have alternitives. I'm rooting for you, I learned a lot reading your comment, thank you so much.

[-] MammyWhammy@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

And your perspective on transit is exactly why I want to spread the gospel so to speak.

I don't think most people here are bad for fighting against public transit, I genuinely think they're misinformed and have never lived anywhere with a functioning transit system.

I want them to see the light! It such a happier existence on my side of the fence and I want to bring everyone I can in to have a party.

I'm generally optimistic, things are shifting, and the younger generations understand much better than their older counterparts the benefits of solid public transit.

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