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It's almost like we are speaking different languages, and I'm not surprised to be attacked coming in here. The reason I have a hard time responding to "facts" is that over the years I've spent countless hours researching various topics only to find that you get different answers depending on what you look for. Not only that but truth is different and history gets rewritten over the years. In my youth there were rallying cries to free tibet. People like you protested angrily, guilt tripped average folks about being callous and cruel for not caring. Now years later in this very thread I'm told that the Chinese did a great thing freeing tibetan slaves and so on. It's hard not to be cynical when you can find evidence and justification for anything you want to. I've got right wing friends doing the same thing you are doing, trying to guilt trip me for not paying attention or not caring about the crimes committed by the left. They send me articles and facts all the time. How do you really know what the truth is? Change your algorithm and start looking for evidence to support the opposite perspective and you will start getting different facts. It all starts to feel arbitrary and the only real truth is right in front of you.
Revolutionaries like the people in here are always around. They can't accept injustice and have no answer except to tear it all down and start over.
You can totally get different answers depending on what you're looking for. That doesn't mean they are equally valuable answers. Some evidence is shit. Have you tried vetting your sources? Its a fundamental part of research.
Have you ever taken a philosophy class? The first day is always spent debunking relativist arguments like the ones you make. Have you ever taken a history class? The whole point of the discipline is learning how to source information and piece it together. What about the physical sciences? Engineering? These all require someone to make decisions about how to move forward. Your attitude might help you avoid conflict, might absolve you of responsibility or whatever. But you can't foster community, build bridges, or run tests on relativism. The only reason you believe relativism is because you start with the assumption that the system is good, because it is good for you. Its why the world seems so unintelligible to you. Your foundation is wrong so you can't build anything on top of it.
Considering the amount of right wingers that want to throw me in an oven I'll hold off on the facts aren't real bit. I don't want to be thrown in an oven, that's a fucking fact bud. And the fact that you value their opinion, throw me in an oven, just as highly as my opinion, don't throw in a fucking oven, I consider your relativism dangerous.
They don't want to throw anyone in an oven, and that's a fact. One of my best friends is one of those guys, who I grew up with. He doesn't hate anyone besides "liberals", having nothing to do with skin color or race. Also I have an engineering degree and took every one of those general education classes, economics, philosophy, psychology, etc, but also a master's level elective class that literally was about interpreting and critiquing scientific journal articles. We spent a lot of time finding holes in published works and discussing retractions, enough to make me a little cynical even about "science" itself, let alone news stories. Maybe your "facts" aren't quite as factual as you would like them to be and your truth isn't quite that. But you will also grow less certain about things as you get older, just like I did.
Well, you had a good education. I'm also skeptical of science, but mostly because our science can't be fully separated from capitalism and its incentives.
Why are you talking to me like I'm a teenager? Y'all always pretend to be the adults in the room, very cool very condescending.
So you aren't always relativist. You get to side with your buddies against the minorities that their tribe hates. Lovely. I don't give a fuck about your friends. Your friend isn't conservatism, conservatism is conservatism. He's aligned himself how he's aligned himself. With people who want to throw me in a fucking oven you dumb motherfucker. Go peddle your dogshit cowardly ideology somewhere else. People saying they want to kill me is a fucking fact. You are cowardice incarnate.
Stop being such a victim, nobody wants to kill you, they just want to live their lives. I know lots of conservatives and not one of them wants to murder minorities, what are you even talking about?
Seriously, go talk to normal people about normal stuff and knock it off. Yeah there is injustice in the world and we should talk about that, but you can't always live in that space or it will drive you crazy.
people will stop being victims as soon as other people stop being victimizers
stop being this guy:
let me guess, you're one of the normal people. you have decided this for totally normal reasons, and your normality just exists in a vacuum and isn't imposed by any kind of superstructure.
no, we shouldn't talk about it. we should put an end to it.
people don't choose whether they live in an unjust space or not. they are born into it, and it drives them crazy and kills them. Only people unaffected by it have the liberty of ignoring it.