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"matches that of Heinrich Himmler", you mean the head of the SS and one of the main people behind the holocaust?
Have you ever considered that your life, and life in general would be better if you didn't have such absurd and shrill opinions?
Unfortunately, the American education system just kinda gives up teaching history after 1945. Otherwise, you might be more familiar with the US State Department sponsored coups and subsequent genocides in Latin America, the Middle East, Africa, and the Pacific Rim over the subsequent 40 years.
Kissinger absolutely was administering mass arrests and executions in US client states, from the overthrow of democracies in Iran and Egypt to the massacres of dissidents in Jakarta and Rio de Janeiro and Santiago to the arming of the Khmer Rouge and subsequent bombings in Laos and Cambodia. Say what you will about Himmler, but he only really had the reigns of a mid-sized European industrial power for a decade. Kissinger was instrumental in steering truly nightmarish foreign policies on an international scale for four times as long.
And when you look at how folks like Kerry and Clinton and Blinken consistently turn to the Kissinger playbook to advance US foreign policy in the modern day, he's got even more blood on his hands by proxy than that.
I don't know of anyone who thinks we can or should stop every genocide. Kissinger didn't lead these things you're talking about, or at least the things I I think you're talking about. And he wasn't unique in his views. Kissinger is not comparable to Himmler, this is a ridiculous post, shallow. .
I think Kissinger and everyone in the foreign service and executive branch who helped execute American foreign policy thought was that if two violent factions were going to kill each other, America might as well back the one it thinks it can work with to advance it's foreign policy goals. Kissinger wasn't a wizard. He couldn't make the north and south Vietnamese stop killing each other. You don't have to like it to pick a strategic interest and choose a side.
It's called realpolitik.
Jesus fucking Christ, you think supporting fascist coups on democratically elected governments is just pragmatism?
There is one way in which Himmler and Kissinger differs... Himmler at least had the backbone to go and witness the results of his policies in person - specifically, the Babi Yar massacre in Ukraine. Kissinger never did go see for himself the gargantuan atrocities he had "achieved" in Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam, Bangladesh, Timor, and Chile.
Oh, I forgot the other way Kissinger and Himmler differs... Himmler was hanged - Kissinger got off scott-free. So there's that.
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so you really REALLY do not understand the brutality of the Holocaust then, and less so the history of the sub-chinease peninsula, and Pinochet couldn't hold a candle to what Himmler did
Trying to hide your hero's crimes behind the Holocaust, are we? Just like your fascist friends over in occupied Palestine?
Try harder.
Jesus christ dude. Calm down.
Did you see me at any point not being calm?
Yeah when you start throwing accusations of fascism at random posters, that's pretty riled up behavior. Nobody but you is talking about Isreal vs Palestine in this thread. Not a single person you responded to said kissinger was a good guy. You can compare atrocities and acknowledge they're all atrocities.
No, not really - considering how the situation in occupied Palestine has, once again, shown just how enthusiastically all these "liberals" start swallowing fascist justifications as soon as their fairy tale ideology is put to the test, I'd say it's most definitely not a case of "random posters".
Go check the downvotes on my initial comment - there's a very big difference between "not saying Kissinger was a good guy" and acknowledging that he was one of the most vile and prolific war criminals the 20th century managed to produce.
What like to the front? Do you know of other secretaries of state who went to the front?
Yeah... they don't really like dirtying themselves with the mess they cause, do they?