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[–] Piogre314@lemmy.world 29 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

South of the Mason-Dixon Line includes almost half of your own state of Illinois, and multiple other states that remained loyal to the union.

Did you perhaps mean to refer to the 36°30′ parallel that was used in the Missouri Compromise?

Personally I'm more worried about the 3% of Iowa who doesn't consider itself the Midwest.

[–] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Yes the Illinois/Missouri/Iowa group could be nothing other than Midwest, I don’t know how those aren’t 100%. We’re the poster children of Midwest

[–] PlasterAnalyst@kbin.social 22 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Missouri is pretty Southern culturally, due to all the racism.

[–] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

Oh I know, I live here, it’s still IN the Midwest though. STL and KC are at least decent cities, the rest of the state is horrible though

[–] theodewere@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

similarly, there's a good chunk of Southern Illinois that is basically indistinguishable from Kentucky.. same for Indiana..

[–] tasty4skin@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

my guess is that the 4.7% of missourians saying no are all in the ozarks/boot heel

[–] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Nah, they can’t read

[–] jscummy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago

There's a big cultural divide for Illinois, Chicago isn't very "Midwest" compared to downstate.

[–] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

You are indeed correct, my bad it’s early where I’m at lol

[–] Can_you_change_your_username@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

That map for the Mason-Dixon Line is not correct. The original line was at that latitude but it ended at modern day West Virginia. It was the line of demarcation between Pennsylvania, Virginia, Delaware and Maryland. It was used in congressional debate during and after the the Missouri Compromise to refer to the line of division between slave states and free states which lead to an unofficial expansion. Since the 1820s it has been understood to move directly north from it's original endpoint until it hits the Ohio River then to follow the river west to the Mississippi River then to travel along the eastern, northern and western borders of Missouri. It ends on the 36°30' parallel and extends straight west through the Louisiana Purchase. The 36°30' line was applicable in the territories but not among the states. The Mason Dixon was the line of separation among the states.

https://history.howstuffworks.com/historical-events/mason-dixon-line.htm

Central Illinoisan here, and I’m pretty sure the half of Illinois south of the Mason-Dixon Line is the South, not the Midwest.