My money, my choice. Everyone saying otherwise can eat a bag of dicks. I'll preorder for bonuses if a game looks good, and I'll refund that purchase if it releases in a garbage state.

I must remeber the history of gaming completely differently. Noone was demanding trials. Majority of people went to a store, looked at box art, made a purchase based on the art and description on the back. Plenty of stinkers in the mix.

Trails would be nice sure, not going to deny that. But I fail to see how pre-ordering is linked to no trials lol.

The concept of needing to pre-order a digital asset is already dumb as fuck. It won't run out of stock or anything. That should be the reason to stop pre-orders, not due to a lack of arbitrary trails. Only reason I do it os the bonues or early access/head starts.

[–] Burstar@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nobody, not once, has said 'it is not your choice'. This always gets brought up like that's what the argument is. Make the stupid choice all you want. Be our guest. What we're saying is "if you pre-order this game, you have zero right to: complain about its content for ANY reason, bitch about release delays, or complain about the constant degradation in release quality of ALL games (because like it or not you're the reason why this happens)". Thing is you won't though will you? You'll be first to give a bad review saying 'I got early access and the quality is garbage!'.

Let me guess though, you'll be like "muh, my money, my right to complain about what I want" because taking responsibility for the inevitable consequences of ones actions is for people with actual impulse-control.

[–] Fubar91@lemmy.world -5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You sure make a ton of assumptions buddy.

I have every right to complain about whatever I want, whenever I want, and yes i can spend my money on whatever i want however i want. Don't like it, take your shit and fuck off little man.

You miss the entire statement of me refunding it if it's bad? I specifically pay in a manner that allows me to refund or even charge back at will, which impacts the seller equally. How about the point about pre-orders being dumb overall, thats literallyin agreement? Or the referencing of the specifics around pre-orders = no more trials, as stated in the OP.

Now I'm just gonna stoop to your shit brain level and assume youre a broke ass child who spends money they can't afford to lose on non-essetinal items, like video games for example.

[–] Burstar@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago

The ways to force a refund on a preorder are much reduced over that of straight purchasing the game after release. Pay by Credit Card too far in advance? Request declined. And, considering you already proved most my assumptions correct (namely 'lack of impulse control', and 'muh, my money my right to be a bitch') already I'll add another one. You won't refund a bad product even with the only assured window you get (the small warrantee period you get from things like Steam ie: 2hours) for 2 reasons: 1) you're a sucker for the BS appeals to patience and tolerance that marketing always puts out when there are 'unforseen, lul, issues with development', and 2) you're so starved for anything to distract you from your miserable life you'll accept getting your feces pushed in by game companies for the meagre hits of dopamine you get from your pre-purchase rewards.

Here's the deal: your life is already so bad I'll give you permission to make the selfish, impulsive purchase decision only because I'd rather you ruin the game industry than take out your issues on real people in your life (if you have any left).

[–] Ashtear@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

I was selling countless pre-orders at retail going back to 2001. I don't know when this mythical time would have been either.

Ultimately, the vast majority of people making pre-orders aren't here, on reddit, or any gaming community. And frankly, with the rate at which physical print runs are shrinking, people are going to find they will need to pre-order if they want a physical copy of anything not AAA.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hey, fair enough. It is your money. If you see value, go for it. I have trouble seeing value because 9 times out of 10, preorder bonuses are like skins for mp or something else I care little about. But I just have a problem with data collection and selling it to 3rd parties.

[–] Fubar91@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Yep people see value in things differently, which is fine by me. I also disagree with the problem of mass data collection farming then selling to 3rd parties.