n this episode, I have the incredible opportunity to sit down with one of my lifelong mentors in both medicine and endurance running, Dr. Tim Noakes. I first discovered his work when I started running marathons in 1999, and his books completely shaped the way I thought about endurance training, hydration, and fueling. But Dr. Noakes' story is also a story of changing your mind when the evidence and your own experience tell you that something isn't working.
We talk about his evolution from promoting high-carbohydrate fueling to questioning that approach, his own experience with type 2 diabetes and metabolic health, and the research that changed the way he thinks about endurance performance. We also dive into my own journey with insulin resistance, continuous glucose monitoring, low-carbohydrate endurance training, and what happened when I began experimenting with how I fueled my ultramarathons. This is a conversation about being willing to question what you've been taught, examine your own experience, and keep learning as the science evolves.
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From carbohydrate orthodoxy to low-carbohydrate eating
- Noakes's Lore of Running taught carbohydrate loading, while Waterlogged addressed excess drinking and exercise-associated hyponatremia. Dulaney began long-distance running using those guidelines. [1][2]
- A recent paper coauthored by Noakes and Andrew Koutnik centers the endurance benefit of carbohydrate on maintaining blood glucose during exercise, rather than replenishing depleted muscle glycogen; Dulaney subsequently changed her fueling. [3]
- Noakes grew up eating meat, fish, and farm foods in Zimbabwe, adopted the low-fat advice from his 1970s medical training, switched to grains, and subsequently gained weight and developed insulin resistance.
- Swedish muscle-biopsy research in 1967 shifted endurance physiology from liver glycogen and blood glucose toward muscle glycogen depletion; Noakes taught that model for decades. [4]
- Bruce Fordyce recovered his pace late in the Comrades Marathon after drinking Coca-Cola with added sugar; Noakes subsequently introduced glucose polymers to his regimen and helped develop an early endurance carbohydrate gel with Bernard Rose.
- Industry funding supported sports-drink research, while advice to drink heavily coincided with exercise-associated hyponatremia. Noakes's research connected dangerous cases with overhydration, preceding his departure from prevailing fueling and hydration guidance. [5]
- After an unusually exhausting short run, Noakes read The New Atkins for a New You, revised his nutrition advice after 33 years, and switched to a low-carbohydrate, high-fat diet in 2010. [6]
- Noakes has maintained that diet for about 16 years, identifies his type 2 diabetes as being in remission though not fully normalized, and connects his personal risk to his father's severe diabetes and early death.
Dulaney's parallel path through endurance sport and plant-based eating
- Dulaney expected that remaining lean through marathons, Ironman races, and ultramarathons would protect her from her family's diabetes and heart-disease history; abdominal fat and symptoms accumulated despite extensive running.
- Carbohydrates before running triggered recurring shakiness and sweating, while gels coincided with repeated energy highs, crashes, nausea, and difficulty continuing without additional sugar.
- She initially rejected Noakes's low-carbohydrate approach and adopted a low-fat plant-based diet based on the idea that removing dietary fat could prevent insulin resistance.
Banting, institutional resistance, and the hearing
- Two runners who traversed the Great Wall of China ate pork fat when food was scarce; their experience helped initiate The Real Meal Revolution, which popularized the high-fat, low-carbohydrate Banting diet in South Africa. [7]
- After a parliamentary official publicly requested Noakes's autograph, university leaders criticized his diet advocacy; Noakes connected their opposition with grain and nutrition interests.
- Dietitians objected as patients rejected low-fat advice. A general tweet recommending low-carbohydrate, high-fat eating for children became the basis of a professional-misconduct complaint, without individualized advice to a specific mother.
- Noakes's former colleagues and the Health Professions Council of South Africa assembled a case against him amid opposition to departures from established nutrition guidelines.
- With pro bono legal assistance, Noakes underwent a 28-day hearing, spent nine days giving evidence and three days under cross-examination, and was ultimately found not guilty; the defense involved two years of intensive nutrition research.
- Lore of Nutrition emerged from that research and disciplinary process; Nina Teicholz and Zoë Harcombe supported the defense, and Dulaney used Teicholz's The Big Fat Surprise to reexamine low-fat dietary advice based on observational studies, selective evidence, and entrenched assumptions. [8][9]
Changes in Dulaney's practice and nutrition
- After a difficult 50-km race fueled by gels, Dulaney completed another 50-km race using small, regularly timed carbohydrate amounts, maintained her pace without bonking, and experienced little soreness the following day; Koutnik linked the reduced soreness to less glucose-related inflammation.
- Koutnik's explanation of insulin as a storage hormone led her to investigate whether repeated gels and high-carbohydrate meals reduced access to stored body fat.
- Her wellness practice followed fewer than 200 patients and taught low-calorie plant-based cooking; some patients initially lost weight, but she did not achieve complete diabetes remission with that dietary approach.
- Lean patients also developed abdominal fat, rising HbA1c, frequent hunger, post-meal sleepiness, and digestive symptoms; thinness and the absence of heart attacks coexisted with other metabolic concerns.
- Reducing carbohydrate on a plant-based diet also reduced protein from legumes and grains, leading her to reintroduce eggs, fish, and other animal foods after family and practice consultations.
- After reading Michael Crawford's work on DHA and the brain, she measured omega-3 profiles in herself, relatives, and patients, found very low DHA, and introduced fish or supplements to address limited conversion from flax, chia, or hemp ALA.
- Dulaney initially used Noakes's Banting green/yellow/orange/red food lists as a starting guide for patients while her own approach developed.
CGM observations during running and ultramarathons
- Continuous glucose monitoring showed that Dulaney's shaky symptoms after carbohydrates began as glucose fell from a peak, without a measured glucose low.
- She completed 267 miles over 16 days, averaging about 17 miles daily, consuming almost no carbohydrate beyond traces in an electrolyte drink, with steady energy and little cumulative soreness.
- Despite years of extensive running, fasting glucose increased to roughly 103–105 mg/dL; HbA1c reached 5.9% with insulin of 4.9, and she eventually reduced carbohydrates to under 10 g daily.
- During a 100-mile race lasting 33 hours, she consumed some carbohydrate, including a cheeseburger bun, and CGM peaks increased from about 150 to above 200 mg/dL, returning toward baseline roughly eight hours after finishing.
- Without food, morning five- or six-mile runs elevated CGM glucose to 130–150 mg/dL, occasionally 180 at higher heart rates, with one to two hours to settle; heat and greater effort coincided with larger rises.
The liver, insulin resistance, and carbohydrate balance
- Exercise-associated glucose increases can result when liver glucose output exceeds muscle uptake; glucagon, cortisol, epinephrine, and exercise intensity are possible contributors.
- Slower exercise has reduced Noakes's glucose spikes; greater exertion can coincide with increased glucose in an insulin-resistant person, although the specific mechanism is unresolved.
- Ben Bikman's alpha-cell insulin-resistance hypothesis involves abnormal glucagon release, which could explain the glucose rises and can be tested through direct glucagon measurements.
- Noakes and Philip Prins are developing a carbohydrate-balance model: daily carbohydrate is oxidized or stored, and glycogen-filled muscles are associated with higher insulin, carbohydrate oxidation, and reduced fat oxidation; related hypotheses had existed in 1970s–1980s research.
- Muscle and liver glycogen are repeatedly used rather than permanently retained; Dulaney's very-low-carbohydrate intake and regular running make excess muscle glycogen an insufficient explanation for persistent glucose spikes.
- A recent randomized comparison of ketogenic, Mediterranean, and very-low-fat plant-forward diets found the largest reductions in liver fat, de novo lipogenesis, and impaired hepatic glucose regulation with ketogenic eating at comparable weight loss. [10]
- Years of high carbohydrate intake can increase liver fat production and insulin resistance, with ketogenic eating producing the greatest hepatic improvements among the three diets.
- Dulaney suspects that some very thin long-term plant-based advocates have elevated insulin and reduced muscle; Noakes concurs that normal-range HbA1c alone cannot settle this question.
- Brain activity and stress also affect glucose control: Noakes's fasting CGM readings rose from about 5.2 to 6.2 mmol/L during a stressful period, then returned over roughly a week.
Protein, dietary fat, and ketone responses
- Dulaney, weighing about 113 pounds, consumes roughly 100 g protein daily and questions whether her protein-to-fat ratio contributes to elevated glucose despite minimal carbohydrate intake.
- Noakes experiences gradual glucose rises after protein-rich meals and invokes the nearly all-fat diets used for type 1 diabetes before insulin availability as historical examples of dietary glucose control.
- Dulaney observes a steadier glucose trace with sardines packed in oil than with less-fatty foods and experiments with greater fat relative to protein.
- Dulaney's blood ketones are often around 0.4–0.5 mmol/L in the morning and sometimes about 1.4 later; Noakes links low readings during exercise to greater ketone use and experiences higher levels with fasting and exercise.
- An exogenous ketone drink lowered Noakes's glucose by roughly 1 mmol/L; Dulaney used exogenous ketones during her 100-mile race without her familiar shaky or sleepy symptoms and observed a downward afternoon glucose trend during later use.
- Both favor testing exogenous ketones when glucose remains elevated during carbohydrate restriction, with metabolic responses varying between individuals.
Body weight, ultramarathon fueling, and ongoing work
- Dulaney's calorie-restricted plant-based approach did not produce weight loss in her severely obese patients; some patients with previously stalled weight loss are now losing weight after dietary changes.
- Substantial weight-loss cases included approximately 100 pounds in one year and 80 kg in 28 weeks for a man in Cape Town, demonstrating the magnitude of the observed changes.
- For an upcoming 100-mile race, Noakes advises that dietary fat need not be carried as exercise fuel: stored body fat supplies muscle energy, while carbohydrate during prolonged exercise serves mainly to maintain brain-accessible blood glucose.
- Ketone adaptation can increase tolerance of lower glucose without symptoms, while eating during a race can also address hunger, comfort, and morale; Arthur Newton's mid-race meals and the runners' late-race meals serve as examples.
- Collaboration with Andrew Koutnik and Philip Prins sustained Noakes's research career and the Noakes Foundation's educational work, while the dietary change renewed Dulaney's clinical practice.
References
- [00:00] Lore of Running — https://us.humankinetics.com/products/lore-of-running-4th-edition?variant=12335071690813
- [00:00] Waterlogged: The Serious Problem of Overhydration in Endurance Sports — https://us.humankinetics.com/products/waterlogged-epub
- [00:01] Carbohydrate Ingestion on Exercise Metabolism and Physical Performance — https://doi.org/10.1210/endrev/bnaf038
- [00:04] Diet, Muscle Glycogen and Physical Performance — https://doi.org/10.1111/j.1748-1716.1967.tb03720.x
- [00:07] Water Intoxication: A Possible Complication During Endurance Exercise — https://doi.org/10.1249/00005768-198506000-00012
- [00:08] The New Atkins for a New You — https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/The-New-Atkins-for-a-New-You/Dr-Eric-C-Westman/Atkins/9781439190272
- [00:14] The Real Meal Revolution — https://www.quivertreepublications.com/product/the-real-meal-revolution/
- [00:21] Lore of Nutrition: Challenging Conventional Dietary Beliefs — https://thenoakesfoundation.org/lore-of-nutrition-out-now/
- [00:22] The Big Fat Surprise — https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/The-Big-Fat-Surprise/Nina-Teicholz/9781451624434
- [00:41] Effect of Diet Macronutrient Content on the Cardiometabolic Response to Weight Loss: A Randomized Clinical Trial — https://doi.org/10.1016/j.cmet.2026.07.020
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