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Empowering you to choose a better internet where privacy is the default. Protect yourself online with Proton Mail, Proton VPN, Proton Calendar, Proton Drive. Proton Pass and SimpleLogin.
Proton Mail is the world's largest secure email provider. Swiss, end-to-end encrypted, private, and free.
Proton VPN is the world’s only open-source, publicly audited, unlimited and free VPN. Swiss-based, no-ads, and no-logs.
Proton Calendar is the world's first end-to-end encrypted calendar that allows you to keep your life private.
Proton Drive is a free end-to-end encrypted cloud storage that allows you to securely backup and share your files. It's open source, publicly audited, and Swiss-based.
Proton Pass Proton Pass is a free and open-source password manager which brings a higher level of security with rigorous end-to-end encryption of all data (including usernames, URLs, notes, and more) and email alias support.
SimpleLogin lets you send and receive emails anonymously via easily-generated unique email aliases.
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That's all I need to read.
Proton have marketed themselves exceptionally well, comments suggesting they are not what they seem have always been met with a lot of downvotes. They marketed themselves into a brand receiving the same blind adoration as a sporting tam.
Sometimes it feels like the other way around too. So much hate and few reasonable discussions, like where to go?
I'm on proton, and maybe I have been fooled but then where to go? Switzerland has one of the best privacy laws on the planet, the services are stellar (IMO), and yeah fuck the C-Suits, but google, mullvad, etc? No thank you.
It's so infuriating.
I like having a single stack of integrated features, so that I don't have to shop around and figure who is the current best in slot far as service providers go. Yen is making it hard for me to stay with Proton, making it feel much less trustworthy.
The redeeming feature is that Proton is in Switzerland, for the reasons you gave. I figure a European country with good privacy standards might be able to rein in this bullshit. Might.
I will be watching this, and hope we get a Proton replacement - be it as a service, or the ditching of conservative leadership from Proton.
Yeah I feel likewise. Also I feel europe might take a bad route and cramp down on privacy, even if it's revoked (chat control and more) so Switzerland seems the best place to be at the moment.
Also, so we don't forget, Mullvad is funding fascists:
https://korben.info/en/mullvad-cofounder-funding-far-right.html
Privacyguides.org has some generally solid info. For email it looks like your best bet is Tuta and for a VPN it's Mullvad.
They mention Mailbox.org and ivpn too, but both of those have pretty clear deal breakers for me.
Just so we don't forget, Mullvad is 1.000x worse, so if you leave Proton, don't go there:
https://korben.info/en/mullvad-cofounder-funding-far-right.html
Dudes, the funder of mullvad sponsors the fashists in sweden, have you already forgotten?
Or are you some undercover mullvads or what.
One source: https://korben.info/en/mullvad-cofounder-funding-far-right.html
Mullvad doesn't seem to allow port forwarding, while Proton VPN does. Does anyone know of a good VPN provider that does port forwarding and isn't a shittier company than proton?
AirVPN
Well, that's true, as a business.
It's an unfortunate reality, very poorly (too honestly?) worded by Andy.
Consumers need to do much better in that respect, we need to hold corporations, and politicians to account, we need to put more effort into our choices.
Charitably, it means the incorrect perceptions cause damage regardless of the truth. Do you dispute that position?
See how much harder it is to dismiss a position when we don't shortchange it?
I myself don't care what happens to Proton as a privately held company, and I don't buy their services. I just don't like cheap shots. The level of discourse at the fediverse doesn't need to devolve into another reddit.
Reddit is actively deleting dissent. How the FUCK is this anywhere near Reddit levels?
You got it right. I saw the thread and the entire thing was a gigantic manipulation. But still, even in the context of that manipulation, it meant get out there and talk because others have perceptions that are out of alignment with our reality.