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Sure. That also doesn't change the fact that no matter where in the world you are, no matter how much energy is produced renewably, each time you eat a piece of meat, you're part of increasing the pressure on our climate.
Once the planet has stopped heating catastrophically, there might be some budget of GHG that we can spend on producing and eating meat more or less sustainably. But until then, it's all part of increasing the pressure.
First of all, this point holds whether you eat meat once a year, or every day. It's not about more or less than the average, each piece of meat contributes.
Second, interesting point, I'd love to read more about the numbers going into that calculation if you can link them.
And just to make it clear: no judgement, these are just facts you need to make an informed decision.
ok, following this logic, let's turn off all electricity generation, air travel, shipping, etc... food is foundational to society and health, we can't deny the planet healthy food and expect to solve all our other problems.
https://www.aleph2020.org/
I agree. We should look at all sources of emission as try to reduce them, starting with those that have highest GHG impact with lowest societal value.
Agreed!
Thanks! I can't find the numbers you refer, could you link them directly? Is Aleph 2020 a pro meat production project?
Here, for your convenience, the text on the page about what ALEPH is. Did you not look too far downwards?
Yes, I did, though it is not clear to me whether the group is meant to be a neutral observer of food production (as implied by "interdisciplinary group of internationally recognized experts" and working based on "scientific foundations"), or an explicitly pro meat production lobby organisation as e.g. indicated through sentences like "Throughout (pre)history, animals (hunted or domesticated) and animal-sourced foods have always held [connotations of strength, vitality, fertility, and generosity]."
How would you describe them? And could you link the numbers you mentioned?
I'm not sure what you're trying to get at, since the description is clear. Perhaps you'd prefer to ascribe labels to them, such as "pro meat production lobby organization," instead?
Also, since I've not mentioned any numbers, I won't be able to link them.
Sorry, mistook you for Jet I guess. They linked the Alpeh 2020 site as a substantiation of this claim, but I can't find it on the website:
In terms of the description of Aleph 2020, I don't find it clear sorry. Digging in further, they write
So it's a scientific consortium with a website.
With a political element and connections to the World Farmers' Organisation?
With sections on policy and ethics?
And graphics about how mainstream reporting is a vegan tech conspiracy?
It's an interesting project, but I'm not sure how to understand it. It's not a neutral research effort like CERN, it's not a farmer lobby, it's not an activist organisation like Amnesty. I guess it's like a very long opinion piece? Or how would you classify it?
I think classification is useful in terms of how the text should be read - a text from Amnesty should be read differently from a text from CERN.