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The Israeli rescue service Zaka says its paramedics removed more than 260 bodies from a music festival that came under attack by Hamas militants.

The total figure of bodies found is expected to be higher, as other paramedic teams were also working in the area and Zaka added that the bodies “haven’t all been collected yet”.

Early on Saturday morning, Hamas targeted Nova music festival, a techno rave in the desert near the border with Gaza.

Videos shared on social media and by Israeli news outlets showed dozens of festival-goers running through an open field as gunshots rang out. Many hid in nearby fruit orchards or were gunned down as they fled.

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[-] NAXLAB@lemmy.world 155 points 1 year ago

"Palestine" is not the one that did this. Hamas is a terrorist group, and their actions do not justify the fact that the Israeli government operates an apartheid state where people are given rights, status, and property on the basis of race, and also participates in the slaughter of innocent people.

This isn't a "whoever's worse should lose" situation. Israel commits human rights violations and Hamas is a terrorist group.

[-] BB69@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Hamas is the governing body of Palestine.

It was Palestine who did this.

[-] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 76 points 1 year ago

Strictly speaking, it's the governing body of Gaza, which hasn't held elections in well over a decade. The West Bank is governed by the party Fatah, which is much less militant.

There is, however, the awkward truth that the West Bank has also not held elections in a long time, precisely because Hamas would probably win them.

[-] flossdaily@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

At last count, Hamas had something like a 75 percent approval rating in Gaza.

The support among all Palestinians is just over 50 percent.

Only 14 percent support the opposition party.

[-] platypus_plumba@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Being in their position, I think I'd also support the only group fighting for my liberty and rights, even if they are morally tainted.

[-] Jaderick@lemmy.world 60 points 1 year ago

By this logic all Iranians support their current Islamist government, which everyone and their mother knows to not be true.

[-] can@sh.itjust.works 45 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Do you support everything your government does?

[-] BB69@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago

My government doesn’t have a 75% approval rating like Hamas does.

[-] can@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 year ago

I have trouble believing any government truly has such high approval.

[-] sederx@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

which should suggest you something?? you are SO close

[-] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com -3 points 1 year ago

Did Germany support everything the Nazis did? No, not every citizen, but it was enough support to give Hitler his rise to power and descend into WWII.

Did Afghanistan support everything the Taliban did? No, but war was the only response to 9/11.

In the end, war sucks and many innocent people will be caught in the crossfire. But, I don't see any other end result out of this. Israel has been so beaten down by terrorist attacks and hostility since literally the day the country was formed that war is the only way forward. They have tried every other option for the last 50 years.

[-] Eldritch@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago

That's like saying when Republicans do something stupid. It's America. It's not. There's far more going on. And that's just disingenuous.

[-] can@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The lack of nuance displayed around here sometimes is truly disturbing.

[-] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 year ago

"Them versus us" mentality is very prominent in modern society and it's only gotten worse. Not just in the context of conflicts, it's a general problem.

[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago

Hamas is the governing body of Gaza. They don't control the West Bank where the majority of Palestinians live.

[-] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

Are they? Palestine isn't an independent state, so how is their governance determined?

[-] Nevoic@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I hate the phrasing "terrorist group" here. Not because what happened here wasn't an atrocity, but because people generally refuse to call state-backed violence "terrorist" violence. The word terrorism is incredibly broad, easily describing a ton of things Israel does. Yet, we refuse to call them a terrorist organization.

Israel slaughtered hundreds of protesters 4 years ago in Gaza.

Israel and Egypt have been blockading the Gaza strip in violation of the GCIV since 2007.

In 2014, a triple-homicide was committed. Israel claimed it was Hamas, and arrested hundreds of Palestinians. Hamas sent rockets into Israel, killing 2 people, and Israel initiated Operation Protective Edge, killing thousands of Palestinians.

Not to mention the entire Israel-Palestine conflict can be traced back about 100 years, where imperialist Britain endorsed the idea of a Jewish homeland in Palestine in the Balfour Declaration. Eventually leading to the formation of Israel in the late 40s and the subsequent ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, forcing nearly a million natives to move to make way for Israel.

"terrorism" is politically charged language with the intent of making us sympathize with a certain side. Of course we'll side with the "Israel state" and against the "Hamas terrorist group". The language used to describe these groups already prescribes how we should view them. Western media will never describe Israel's atrocities as terrorist actions, so people will dismiss the slaughter of tens or even hundreds of thousands of innocent Palestinians as "just war".

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