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Former Conservative prime minister Stephen Harper cautioned against the prospect of Alberta separation in a column Friday, writing that even voting just to "send a message" would represent a fraught approach.

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[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

He is one of the voices that fueled this fire in previous decades, and now he is speaking against it?

That's like Sam Altman warning about the risks of AI...

[–] quanin@lemmy.ca -1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Waitasec. When did he explicitly advocate for separation? He advocated for more autonomy, which is not unprecedented (see also: Quebec), but I've always seen him as pushing for more freedom within confederation, not freedom from confederation. Happy to be corrected.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 17 points 2 days ago (3 children)

He brought the Reform Party into the Conservatives. That's why the crazies seem so loud nowadays.

[–] BurgerBaron@quokk.au 4 points 1 day ago

He also lead the IDU and works for the UCP controlling the thing he hates most since he was young: Alberta pension.

[–] JTode@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

And he did so because they had no possibility of remaining a relevant party without servicing their crazies a little more, just like Reagan did and Bush escalated, bringing us this.

[–] BurgerBaron@quokk.au 6 points 2 days ago

Or Jason Kenney with the Wildrose.

[–] quanin@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 days ago

I mean, sure. But that's not exactly advocating for Alberta separation. And if memory serves, a guy named Peter won the PC leadership and then promptly folded like a cheap shirt.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

When did he explicitly advocate for separation?

That's not what I was referring to.

He stored the fires of western alienation and anger at Ottawa.

[–] quanin@lemmy.ca -5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Eh. I'd say he had help. Trudeau senior wasn't exactly Alberta's friend. Not to mention the 90's were all about Quebec.

[–] blartcap_@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You have to do a lot more gymnastics to put the blame of the current state of Alberta separatism on those two things than Stephen Harper's actions and effect on conservatives across the country.

[–] quanin@lemmy.ca -3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No gymnastics required. There's been a separatist thread running through Alberta since it joined confederation. Literally they were complaining about Canada controlling what Alberta could do with Alberta's resources in 1905. They've just never had actual government support. Quebec is exactly the opposite - most of the last 50 years was a PQ government, including the 1995 referendum, and it went about as you'd expect it to.

[–] blartcap_@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That isn't explaining how there's no gymnastics required. Besides that, the point was that there's a mod direct throughline with Harper's actions.

[–] quanin@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There's no gymnastics required because every time Ottawa oversteps (their words, not mine), they get pissed off. And they usually think Ottawa is overstepping when Ottawa starts telling Alberta what it can do or not do with its resources. It happened in the 80's (NEP), it happened in the 90's (Kyoto Accord), and it happened in 2016 (no business case). The difference is in the80's and 90's the Alberta government itself wasn't advocating for separation. Smith, today, is doing exactly that, and all of the changes made to the original 2021 law that enabled this referendum were made by Smith's government.

[–] blartcap_@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Now connect the dots between Smith's UCP government and Harper's effect on conservative parties around the country, and then the dots with those other situations. Which path has less dots?

[–] quanin@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

How does "Alberta should have more autonomy" translate to "Alberta should leave Canada"? That's the dot your line's missing.

[–] blartcap_@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This entire conversation is all about the current separatist sentiment. It always was.

[–] quanin@lemmy.ca 1 points 17 hours ago

And the current separatist sentiment starts in the Premier's office. Every change to the citizen initiative law that enabled this referendum, from requirements that it be vetted for constitutionality to the lowering of minimum signatures required, was performed by Smith's government.