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Really just drives home that socialism was a much better system for Russia than capitalism.
Three points:
The undemocratic concentration of power into the hands of a few in government who were ultimately unable to efficiently manage the USSR's command economy makes that claim dubious.
The government continuously promised that it would eventually transition to 'true communism', but ultimately abandoned that goal.
While I think that countries that adopt democratic socialism rather than pure capitalism lead to a happier populace, it is not capitalism that caused Russia's economic and demographic collapse, but rather Putin's corrupt diversion of state resources into the pockets of loyal oligarchs and the country's extensive energy resources that allow it to operate as a petrostate without any accountability to the populace, contributing to falling birth rates and a net population outflow. The country's unbridled militarism is yet another result of that lack of accountability.
Three rebuttals:
The government never abandoned the pursuit of communism until Yeltsin, when the USSR was dissolved. To begin with, "true communism" is a Utopian framing, implying more of a religious notion of purity than a materialist analysis. The USSR throughout its existence was socialist, which is a transitional form of society between capitalism and communism. To develop into communism, you need worldwide socialism, an end to class society globally, and incredibly developed productive forces to the point that there is no longer a decentralized productive base by which private property sprouts.
All socialism is democratic, I think you are confusing Nordic style social democracy, the likes of which depend on capitalism and subsidize their welfare with the imperialist system propping up western economies in general, with socialism. Socialism is a mode of production and distribution where the working class controls the state and social ownership is the principal aspect of the economy.
Regardless, the collapse in life expectancy and safety nets came under the Yeltsin era. Under Yeltsin, western imperialists began plundering the former socialist state and as a consequence there was a tremendous capital flight from Russia. Putin took power in 1999, along with the nationalist wing, and managed to put a stop to the imperialist plunder. From this point on, the Russian economy began to steadily recover:
This is why despite being a reactionary capitalist, and most Russians preferring socialism, Putin and United Russia do actually have widespread popularity. The second most popular party is the Community Party of the Russian Federation, and most Russians want a return to socialism, but the idea that Putin was the primary cause is incorrect. Capitalism was the cause of the tremendous loss of life and destruction of the safety nets, Putin just made it so that the wealth stayed within Russia rather than leaving, which is why Russian capitalists are referred to as oligarchs.
Socialism must return to Russia for genuine forward progress.
Russia never had socialism as a system. USSR was closer to feudalism economically
That's Cowbee, who is an OG Tankie, as in they support the tanks that rolled into Hungary to kill the workers in 1956.
The Hungarian revolt in 1956 was infested with anti-semitic pograms. MI6 funded, supplied, and trained the Hungarian counter-revolutionaries. These counter-revolutionaries were allied with fascists who were lynching Jewish people and Communists. The Truth About Hungary by Herbert Aptheker heavily relies on citing western sources like the New York Times. Aptheker backs up his claims heavily.
Further, the CIA also backed Hungarian resistance forces:
Prague in 1968 was a similar fascist uprising in both cases there were some elements of progressive protest, but these were greatly overshadowed by the fascist movements. Dubcek wanted to sell out to the IMF, and restore capitalism. The idea that any of this was about "democracy" or "freedom" is silly, it was always about Cold War tactics to destabilize socialism.
TL;DR imagine if the January 6th rioters were armed and trained by foreign governments, started lynching officials and Jewish people, and the US sent in the army to put down the insurrection. The MAGA chuds would claim that it was about "freedom" and "democracy," but we all know that they just wanted Trump in office.
How so? They developed a robust system of worker democracy in a proletarian-dominated state, and social ownership was the principal, ie dominant and rising, aspect of the economy. Using their socialist system, they managed to double life expectancy, eradicate illiteracy, house the entire population, end unemployment, and provide free, high quality healthcare and education to the whole of society. Was it perfect? No, it was real, which meant it ran into problems that stem from existing in the real world. That doesn't make it "closer to feudalism economically."
Feudalism is an agrarian mode of production centered on peasants producing agricultural goods and sending tribute to their feudal lord, and trading the rest of their surplus for commodities in towns or making them themselves. This practice was eradicated by the 1930s in the USSR as combine-harvesting and collective farms were created.
I recommend reading Socialism in Power: On the History and Theory of Socialist Governance as well as This Soviet World and Is the Red Flag Flying? Political Economy of the USSR Today. The Soviet Union was the world's first socialist state, with all the good and all the problems that came from that.
They killed the workers when they tried to actually exercise their democracy.
Nope, they created a robust system of democracy. From Anna Louise Strong's This Soviet World:
And it's right where the billionaires want us
Indeed! I wonder how the world would look now if the USSR won the cold war and didn't collapse.
Much brighter. There'd be no Russo-Ukrainian War, Eastern Europe would not have seen the largest collapse in peacetime life expectancy, and the overall world would be more advanced in the transition to worldwide socialism.
Is this the Stalinist USSR that you think was socialist and would be much brighter?
The fact is that Russia would invade any country and kill any people that tried to separate from them. Ukraine, Hungary, anyone.
You're high on nearly century old propaganda.
You’re high on over a century of anti-communist propaganda from the imperial core, the Five Eyes states in particular for the Anglosphere. Billions have been spent to have you see communism & communists as cartoon villains.
The USSR was socialist, and if it continued to exist the world would indeed be much brighter. You are making a racist argument that sees Russians as genetically evil, rather than making a materialist argument based on the mode of production and distribution.
Oh they tried to spread their beautiful system by occupying Czechia - they were always bullies and everyone hated those that moved here during the occupation.
The Czech workers and peasants formed militias, overthrowing their bourgeois government and established socialism on their own terms. Of course, in such an environment, the Soviet Union was a vital trading partner, especially considering the Red Army was the primary liberating force in Europe against the Nazi onslaught.
The Hungarians did the same, remember what happened to them?
Yep, they enjoyed a socialist system that saw an enormous uplifting in working class quality of life before the end of socialism in Europe took that away.
The world would be much brighter if the US never got its independence, then there wouldnt have been the civil war, independence war etc! They would just continue being a colony peacefully!
(Maybe not the best example. But you really need to read some factual books about soviet history.)
I've read a good number of books on soviet history, I am a communist and a core part of that is understanding what went right and what went wrong in existing socialist societies. The Soviet Union was the world's first socialist state, so there's an enormous wealth of information to be learned from it. I stand by the simple assertion that the dissolution of the Soviet Union was an immense tragedy for the working classes around the world.
The problem is that you've identified any book that says anything bad about the USSR as "western propaganda" and any book that literally lies about the USSR as the one and only truth.
The Soviet Union was the world's first socialist state. And then Lenin came along, and put an end to that. And that's what gave us Stalin.
It's incredibly easy to project a complete reductionist take onto me, then make a vague and catchy statement without backing it. No, not all books that say "bad things" about the USSR are "western propaganda." Many of the books I link, such as Socialism in Power: On the History and Theory of Socialist Governance are actually quite critical of Soviet democracy, while still providing an actually useful critique based on concrete reality. As for the vague statement hurling, how did Lenin end socialism, when Lenin and the Bolsheviks created the first socialist state, where workers controlled the government and social ownership was the principal aspect of the economy?
Again, this is all utterly baseless and devoid of any meaningful substance by which to even respond.
They would have had to open up for trade and capitalism. So it would have looked like another China.
China made the right move, to quickly increase & develop its productive forces, which is a prerequisite to the ultimate goal of communism. Capitalists in the imperial core gladly assisted because it maximized their profits. Those foreign capitalists either didn’t know or didn’t care that, unlike the Warsaw Pact states, China had no intention of ceding power to the capitalist class.
Socialism is when Stalin says "we're socialist now"?
Nope, socialism is a transitional form of society between capitalism and communism where the working classes control the state, and social ownership is the principal, ie rising and dominant, aspect of the economy. The Soviet Union fit that description perfectly, up until it dissolved. Do you have an actual point that isn't just strawman arguments?