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[–] korazail@eviltoast.org 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

You overthrow your government and seize the funds of the rich? At this point, how do you actually think this gets better absent that

I think I'm done. It's been an interesting and introspective week. And for that, I thank you.

Your 'solution' is violence - and I get that. There's a bunch of people with your opinion. I don't have it. I think if we have to get to 'overthrow', then we make things really bad for a long time for a lot of people; whereas we can use the system to put better people in the places of power and make things more better-er in a shorter timeframe. It might also make things bad for different people for longer time. I can't tell from where I sit. I happen to be one dude in a country of 350 million.

In all honesty, I've got a foot in both sides. When shit goes down, I'm in; but I'm not going to start it. I'll leave that up to people braver than me. I will block you if you fight me on this stance.

You imply I'm stopping at the 'lesser evil' strategy and I can't stress enough how much that's a stepping stone and not, or even a significant part of, my whole solution or even what I advocate for (My old instance is shutting down, you can see my older comments as korazail@lemmy.myserv.one and there are many versions of 'join your local org'). I vote for lesser evil right now while actively trying to make better options later so I don't have to and encouraging others to be part of the process.

I think we differ on whether that could actually work; which is a whole conversation on it's own since, if it can't, can democracy work at all? Do we all just shoot each other? And which side does that best serve?

My actually trying to make things better is done by being engaged with the processes that make decisions and tell others they can be engaged too. Back to the original original point. The 'both sides' one-liners reduce engagement. We should stop making them.

Don't pick a phrase from above to reply to. Respond to this: Should the average person attempt to be more or less engaged with their political systems?

[–] mattyroses@lemmy.today 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

and I can't stress enough how much that's a stepping stone and not, or even a significant part of, my whole solution or even what I advocate for

It will NEVER progress is exactly my point. You've chosen to always move to the right. The logic of why is not hard to understand.

Should the average person attempt to be more or less engaged with their political systems?

Of course. And that engagement should, in the US, primarily take the form of challenging the Democratic Party leadership as effectively as possible. They're the largest obstacle to the left currently.

[–] korazail@eviltoast.org 1 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

primarily take the form of challenging the Democratic Party leadership as effectively as possible

What do you think I've been trying to say?

I'm one dude. My next more effective way of challenging the leadership will get me locked up and then I can't challenge it again for like 10-20 years.

And you're still sidestepping the point I was trying to make that was: engagement is helpful and discouraging it is not helpful.

Edit: and just to clarify, "both sides" kinds of comments are discouraging. -- we can continue to argue about how to engage forever, I think, but this whole thread started with 'stop saying both sides'.

[–] mattyroses@lemmy.today 1 points 15 hours ago

This is nonsense. You're claiming that saying, accurately, that Democrats support almost all the same evil positions Republicans do is "discouraging"?

Cool. Vote out the party leadership then.

You seem, like most Democratic loyalists, to think that if you wish really hard, THIS time your lesser evil strategy is going to work. Once again, you've been trying it for decades, and THIS is where it has brought you to. The GOP firmly in control of the government, while you continue to lose to an insane game show host.

I've told you how you can STOP doing that - and it STARTS with cleaning out the Democratic Party, and you ONLY do that by abandoning your lesser evil nonsense.

We're done here.