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[–] Curious_Canid@piefed.ca 6 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

One of the fundamental falsehoods that is being pushed, and not just by foreign propaganda, is that revolution can only be violent. If we were able to organize crippling work shutdowns we would start to see results. The oligarchs still require a great deal of human labor to get what they want. The public could, theoretically, withdraw that and use it as leverage to move things back toward wealth equity. The problem is that it requires a greater consensus that we have been able to achieve, at least so far.

[–] Rat_in_a_hat@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What about legislation that makes it illegal to strike like when the rail workers wanted to strike under Biden?

Carney is passing similar legislation in Canada.

[–] Curious_Canid@piefed.ca 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It isn't surprising when a government makes the methods for opposing it illegal. That increases the risk involved, but it does not change the reasons for doing it or the effectiveness of those tactics. It isn't a matter of, "well, we might as well kill people, if both are illegal". There are a lot of reasons for preferring non-violent protest, beyond legality. It comes down to figuring out what is most likely to cause the change we want to see.

[–] Rat_in_a_hat@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

And if it's illegal, and people still strike, what would be the outcome?

[–] Calfpupa@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It would still cripple capital production

[–] Rat_in_a_hat@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

And historically, what has happened when people went on strike despite the government not condoning it? Plenty of examples to choose from

[–] Calfpupa@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] Rat_in_a_hat@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

LOL either you're cherry picking or really don't know the history that led to the Bolshevik revolution.

You know what the Putilov Strike was preceded by? The Bloody Sunday revolution. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1905)

From your article:

There were several strikes involving the workers of the Putilov Mill over the years with the first one taking place in 1905, yet this particular strike in 1917 is considered the catalyst which sparked the February Revolution.

You know what happened after the February revolution right? Right?!

The October revolution! Many deaths.

This is what happens to strikes that are deemed illegal by the government:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winnipeg_general_strike

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pullman_Strike

[–] Calfpupa@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The October Revolution has nothing to do with striking, what are you going on about? You are over here insinuating something but are too much of a coward to outright make a claim. Yes, there was a strike 7 years prior, you're very astute there, and yes it was bloody because the conditions for it were not right. I am not claiming that all strikes are well thought out or planned, there needs to be a movement behind it or it will end bloody. That's what you get when non-marxists strike. Now please refute my claim that it impacts the growth of capital or move on.

[–] Rat_in_a_hat@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago

Now please refute my claim that it impacts the growth of capital or move on.

Bud, the topic is whether a non-violent strike changes the status quo.

Yes, strikes impact capital (I didn't say they don't) that's why they're powerful and also why they get a strong and violent reaction.

Notice how after the kumbaya strike (that the Tzar didn't even know was happening, he even travelled there thinking all was fine!) that a puppet government was installed which still oppressed the people for several years and eventually led to the actual revolution. That had violence. A lot of it.

[–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Violence happened. Be honest.

[–] Calfpupa@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

How many people died from this well timed strike, pray tell.

[–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What happened after that? Be honest

[–] Calfpupa@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Make the claim you want to make, be honest.

[–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Nobody in history has ever won their freedom from an oppressor by asking nicely or voting. You are completely wrong, and either too goddamn dumb to walk and chew safely at the same time or a lying sack of shit.

[–] Calfpupa@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Where did I say that? I fully realize what must be done to win freedom; a strike alone will not win it, but it is still a useful tool in instigating revolution.

[–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 weeks ago

The question was

historically, what has happened when people went on strike despite the government not condoning it?

And your answer was dishonest and evasive because you know you're wrong and you don't want to admit it

[–] Rat_in_a_hat@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago

A lot of violence!

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago

Could do sustained protests, could do a general strike, hell Americans consume so much even a "buying" freeze would probably get their attention cause it hurts theirs stock price. The problem is people are also selfish so organizing anything is next to impossible.

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.today 1 points 2 weeks ago

I upvoted for the hopeful sentiments, but I don't think strikes alone can defeat conservatism. I really do think violence is required, unfortunately. We are in this situation because we didn't finish the violent ending of the civil war. We let conservatives live and now we have concentration camps.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 weeks ago

I'd say that's true, but calling it a revolution waters down what the trolls are saying. I would put "crippling work shutdowns" in the work protest section to keep it clear.