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Ukraine is losing the war (spectator.com)

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[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I'm not your buddy. And I'm calling people who self identify as fascists fascists. The government in Ukraine literally just reburied fascists responsible for the genocide in Poland with state honors. Anybody who pretends that Ukraine isn't run by fascists is either an imbecile or a closet fascist themselves. Even the Poles are starting to figure this out https://notesfrompoland.com/2026/05/29/poland-criticises-zelensky-for-naming-military-unit-after-group-responsible-for-massacring-poles/

If you have yet to see any evidence then you obviously haven't bothered to look.

Reuters, 2014: Leaked audio reveals embarrassing U.S. exchange on Ukraine, EU
Leaked recording between Nuland and Pyatt: audio | transcript
Counterpunch, 2014: US Imperialism and the Ukraine Coup
Consortium News, 2015: The Mess That Nuland Made Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland engineered Ukraine’s regime change without weighing the likely consequences.
Monthly Review Online, 2021: The Maidan massacre in Ukraine: revelations from trials and investigations
Maidan coup thread https://www.quora.com/Is-there-any-credible-evidence-that-Ukraines-2014-revolution-was-due-to-a-CIA-coup (https://archive.ph/BAxYc) Coup details https://consortiumnews.com/2022/12/29/evidence-of-us-backed-coup-in-kiev/

DeMocrAcy https://jacobin.com/2023/02/ukraine-censorship-authoritarianism-illiberalism-crackdown-police-zelensky

quite fringe in Europe

Says that without hint of irony when AfD gets 44% of the vote in Germany and RN is polling at all time high in France. What a clown.

[–] tired_fedora@lemmy.ml -2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Two can play this game.

https://factually.co/fact-checks/politics/evidence-us-orchestrated-coup-ukraine-2014-487d75
https://www.ukrainefactcheck.org/category/context/2014-maidan-revolution/
https://www.stopfake.org/en/ukraine-s-maidan-revolution-was-not-a-coup/
https://www.quora.com/Is-there-any-credible-evidence-that-Ukraines-2014-revolution-was-due-to-a-CIA-coup (thanks for linking that. Actually a good bit of first-hand evidence pointing towards spontaneous 'grass root' protests).

Edit: Sorry for only adding that now, but AFD is at 21 and polls at 28% in Germany, not 44%. https://dawum.de/Bundestag/ . I won't deny that that's deeply disturbing, but at least the people of Germany still get to elect a democratic government, which at least 70% make good use of. Also, AFD is pro Russia in the Ukraine war, so I don't know whether that point of yours really hits.

Aren't you getting tired of coming back to this point as if it mattered for the question at hand? Even if it were a coup, which it most probably was not, then that still begets the question why Russia gets to invade a neighbor when they don't like their government anymore.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I provided a well documented list of facts that occurred. You're countering with some propaganda opinion pieces.

Actually a good bit of first-hand evidence pointing towards spontaneous ‘grass root’ protests).

🤣

Aren't you getting tired of pretending that the west orchestrating a coup in Ukraine is not relevant to the current situation. Ukraine literally lost its sovereignty at this point and is now being used as a proxy. The US secretary of state states this fact openly and plainly https://thehill.com/homenews/5179806-russia-us-proxy-war-ukraine/

Why do you hate Ukrainians so much, what the fuck have they done to you that you want them to die so badly for the western empire?

And I just love how you trolls keep trotting our this whole Russia doesn't get to invade idiocy. Clearly they do and have done so. The question is what caused the war to happen in the first place and how it could've been avoided. The west also has zero moral high ground braying about invading countries. Your whole history is that of invasion and genocide. Maybe look in a mirror first.