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[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

people respond to incentives.

that's all you need to know.

take the good and the evil, the smart and the stupid out of it, and it will make a lot more sense.

most people would be just as 'evil' as who you are talking about given they had the same levels of power. you false belief is that these people 'in power' are somehow superhuman and can resist the temptations and abuses that come with the power they have... they can't, and don't, and most folks are like that. it's exceptional when someone doesn't abuse their power.

[–] NoTagBacks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago

There's so much to address here, it's crazy. I'll give it a shot, I guess.

Incentive in this context is not really that relevant. Sure, Incentivization of systems and all that, but in terms of actual outcomes and how people make decisions, incentives are a terrible predictor of behavior and motive. Additionally, to try and say the one factor is all that matters is ridiculous.

To dismiss morality and my original subject of how dumb some legislators are, conflate incentive and motive as one thing and the only legitimate explanation of evil legislative decisions, then conclude that people are inherently(or even just predisposed to) evil because power is uhh... yeah, that's pretty wild.

You also state that I believe people can/do resist abusing their power. This is a non-starter as nothing I said even suggests such a thing, you made that up. On top of that, I can explicitly state that is, in fact, not my position on the topic of abuse of power. I already reject the framing of power and abuse of it as presented in your comment before any argument is even made. There's so much more to it than just "power corrupts". And power isn't even a factor for many people anyway, even in the context of being in a position of power. People as a whole really aren't that simple.

The only thing I was getting at is that there are people in decision-making positions that appear to make a decision because they're evil or corrupt or whatever else, but in reality, they're just really dumb. This doesn't exclude other factors, nor does this make a definitive statement about reality, it's just an observation from my experience in politics challenging a common incredulity that "they can't really be that stupid" to which I'm backing up the common saying "never attribute to malice what can sufficiently be explained by stupidity".

[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

it’s exceptional when someone doesn’t abuse their power.

Which is what us anarchists have been trying to tell everyone forever.

Nobody can be trusted with power. Nobody. The only real solution is to prevent the accumulation of power in the first place.

[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world -4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

oh and how do you go about that exactly?

you guys are always going on about these big principles, but you never have actionable plans.

turns out pretty much ever social structure has power, or do you anarchists not have leaders and figure heads you all worship and adore and fight over who is best living the 'legacy' of who who are the 'true' anarchists... hmm almost as if your idealistic theory fails even among it's own adherents...

[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 day ago

1936 Catalonia during the Spanish Civil War organized an Anarchist society with over 3 million participants, and they documented much of how exactly they ran it, right down to how they kept the electric trams for public transport going (there is a fantastic book embedded at the bottom of that article, Collectives in the Spanish Revolution by Gaston Leval, which offers more details on other aspects of how they operated that society).

It's a fantastic historical event we can learn from and build upon, and it bore out quite effectively that a decentralized society functions quite well.

[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 1 points 3 days ago

Nonsense. I'd build a perfectly fine utopia!

After culling that 99.9% of the troublesome population.

/jk