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According to this analysis of VAR decisions for the 22/23 season, Liverpool were the joint second beneficiaries of VAR decisions, while City were bottom.
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According to this analysis of VAR decisions for the 22/23 season, Liverpool were the joint second beneficiaries of VAR decisions, while City were bottom.
So why do #LFC fans believe there is a conspiracy against them? Where does that belief stem from?
@hallenbeck @football Well, it's skewed because 1) this is only VAR overturns; and 2) the combination of the high-press and high line they play critically depends on the razor thin margin of leveraging the offside line defensively. #LFC had the highest disallowed goals against with 6, which I'll stipulate means VAR has aided them -- but it also means the officials got it wrong on the field, more than any other team. I don't think there is a conspiracy, but I do think the treatment isn't equal.
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It's too easy to dismiss any critique as a conspiracy without addressing the facts.
A conspiracy doesn't exist, but if somebody had created a conspiracy (a very sloppy one) it would look exactly like the facts everybody has witnessed.
If the logic is that no one is accountable and nothing has to change because a conspiracy didn't exist, that's not the great dismissal some think.
The facts are the facts, it doesn't matter if it was a conspiracy or not.
#LFC
I don't think anyone is arguing things shouldn't change and mistakes aren't being made. We'd all like to see a reduction in errors. It's more that fans of other clubs, pundits, and the media are skeptical all this is affecting Liverpool significantly more than other clubs.
@hallenbeck
I'm not seeing other clubs liking transparency and accuracy hard enough to back LFC's efforts and arrive to a fair resolution. If they did, it shouldn't have taken more than 24 hours to fix it.
The media being skeptical only have to look at the data to do some actual journalism for a change, and the fans of other clubs are irrelevant to the matter.
I'm not sure who are the "anyone" you're talking about other than the discerning section of #LFC supporters, and the club itself.
I think you're too close to the issue to see it with clear, impartial eyes judging by this comment. I don't see the club itself looking at the data and pursuing this - it seems to be fan led, and by your logic fans are irrelevant. As I've said before, when mistakes are made that work against Liverpool, it would mean a lot more if Klopp and Liverpool led the calls for action, if they truly believe and can prove using data there is a bias in the game.
@hallenbeck
And of course, you, the only very serious and objective person here knows for a fact that Liverpool and Jürgen Klopp haven't done that and will never do that.
The moment a discussion turns to what you know about what I believe and nothing else, that's the moment when you've just started making things up because you have no point whatsoever.
Thank you for the exchange and have a good weekend.
I’m not sure what you’re talking about - you’re not being very coherent, but maybe it’s just me. You make a lot of sweeping statements based on nothing other than your own feelings, and/or an extremely biased and partisan view based on Liverpool lore, it seems. You say the media should check the data, yet if it were that easy, why don’t they and the clubs do just that? I’d like to see clubs and the media take a look at Tomkins study and expand it out to other teams. It’s terrific work. It’s a huge story and would be a massive scoop for any journalist to get, plus it would be better for football.