this post was submitted on 28 Aug 2026
43 points (93.9% liked)

Selfhosted

61808 readers
634 users here now

A place to share alternatives to popular online services that can be self-hosted without giving up privacy or locking you into a service you don't control.

Rules:

Detailed Rules Post

  1. Be civil.

  2. No spam.

  3. Posts are to be related to self-hosting.

  4. Don't duplicate the full text of your blog or readme if you're providing a link.

  5. Submission headline should match the article title.

  6. No trolling.

  7. Promotion posts require active participation, with an account that is at least 30 days old. F/LOSS without a paywall has exceptions, with requirements. See the rules link for details. Tags [CBH] or [AIP] are required, see the links in Rule 8 for details.

  8. AI-related discussions and AI-involved promotional posts have additional requirements for tagging, as noted in Rule 7 and the AI & Promotional Post Expanded Rules post, and find example disclosures here.

Resources:

Any issues on the community? Report it using the report flag.

Questions? DM the mods!

founded 3 years ago
MODERATORS
 

I was reading a homelab discussion about NUTs (Network UPS Tools) that left me scratching my head and wondering "...why? Is complexity for complexities sake part of homelabs? Isn't this a huge overkill for one machine? Just...use a UPS? "

Then I got to thinking more broadly about homelabbing and I started to wonder if there weren't maybe (at least) two different schools of thought.

Using home media as example -

  • Store the original.
  • Detect the client.
  • Transcode when required.
  • Monitor the GPU.
  • Add reverse proxy et al
  • Track bandwidth.
  • Add user accounts
  • Add failover.
  • Graph the result.
  • Dashboard.

Vs

  • Store a common compatible file for your devices.
  • Play it directly.

Which school of thought are you and why?

PS: not throwing shade. I get it; for some people, complexity, learning infrastructure, practicing skills for work etc is part of the why. For me, complexity as recreation is suspiciously like work after work.

Perhaps there's an odd Venn diagram between homelabbing, interest in ownership / useful capability and infrastructure that could make for a fun discussion. For you, is homelabbing a means to an end or is it an end in itself?

EDIT: Feel free to consider "home-lab" and "self hosted" as synonyms for the purpose of this discussion (although I am aware they are somewhat different in scope).

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] IsoKiero@sopuli.xyz 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Modern filesystems can corrupt as well with unclean shutdown. They are just less likely to do so. My server stores photos of our life over couple of decades with other nearly irreplaceable data so having the UPS and clean shutdown on power loss gives at least some confidence that the files stay where they are.

Of course I also run backups of the data, but it's another layer on data safety setup.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Modern filesystems can corrupt as well with unclean shutdown. They are just less likely to do so.

It shouldn't be possible for them to become corrupt on an unclean shutdown, at all. Not at the filesystem level. It isn't just a question of probability.

It's possible that there is some bug in the implementation of a filesystem that causes it to violate its guarantees.

There could be, oh...hardware bugs, say, where hardware violates guarantees.

Files can be partially-written. Software might not handle that, though properly-written software designed like a DBMS will be set up so that a partially-written file will not become corrupt at the file level.

Some filesystems permit disabling features that guard against filesystem corruption.

But absent something like that, it should not be possible for one of the filesystems to become corrupt on an unclean shutdown, at all.

[–] BartyDeCanter@piefed.social 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Not all modern filesystems are CoW like btrfs. ext4 is merely journaled, which means that there are rare instances where it can be corrupted, but recovery is fast. However in both cases you can still end up with individualy inconsistent files if, say, the power goes out while the CoW b-tree is percolating up and so the file never gets updated or if the ram cache never has a chance to flush.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

ext4 is merely journaled, which means that there are rare instances where it can be corrupted, but recovery is fast.

None of these things mean that the filesystem becomes corrupted; the filesystem will be in a filesystem consistent state when remounted. You can have a write that is partially performed on a file, but that does not cause the filesystem to become corrupt when it does not complete being written. The journal can contain that write, but it can not yet be committed, and won't yet be visible to a user. But that doesn't make the filesystem corrupt; the commit itself is atomic.