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2.5 years ago, I migrated all my services hosted on a cloud provider to a homeserver.

This homeserver is also my workstation/gaming/dev/everything. I use QubesOS (an operating system based on the Xen hypervisor), and wrote some document about it: https://neowutran.ovh/qubes/articles/homeserver.pdf

Basically, I am hosting:

  • DNS
  • Matrix
  • Email
  • Jitsi
  • Mumble
  • Peertube
  • Screego
  • Nextcloud
  • Searxng
  • Tor
  • Wireguard VPN
  • Copy of wikipedia
  • Personal website And others.

And for TLS, to have better security, and to avoid relying on third party company/providers, I am using DANE.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNS-based_Authentication_of_Named_Entities

https://sr.ht/~yukikoo/dane_without_root/

https://github.com/buffrr/letsdane

The "dane_without_root" is one of my projects and I am welcoming review / feedback on it

( I also posted about it on the QubesOS forum: https://forum.qubes-os.org/t/highlighting-neowutrans-technical-doc-about-qubes )

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[–] moonshine69@lemmy.nz 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

DANE provides user friction..but as OP mentioned TLS doesn't work

[–] greyscale@lemmy.grey.ooo 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Which means I don't care because nobody except myself will be able to use it.

I'd care a lot if Firefox and Chrome supported it OOTB

[–] hirihit640@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It works fine, just ignore the warning and don't enter any sensitive info

[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

then why use DANE. this is just plain old TOFU

[–] greyscale@lemmy.grey.ooo 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Ah yes, the windows method "just click okay and don't read it or think too hard"

[–] hirihit640@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

If you're just pushing for WebPKI without "thinking too hard" about perpretrating a security system with a large number of failure points, then you're following that windows method.

SSL/TLS have very specific benefits. None of which matter that much for reading random articles on the web. So I don't see the problem with this website doing their own thing to bring attention to the potential issues of the current system.

[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

SSL/TLS have very specific benefits. None of which matter that much for reading random articles on the web.

it is a huge benefit if a man in the middle cannot run scripts on your computer.

So I don't see the problem with this website doing their own thing to bring attention to the potential issues of the current system.

there is no problem with that. this could work, with the required patch to firefox, also in the repo.

[–] hirihit640@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

IMO when reading random articles on the internet you already have to worry about untrusted scripts. I just use NoScript, and if the website requires Javascript I move on

[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don't agree, I think there is a difference in likely outcomes. but even without scripts, you don't want you article's content (text, images, statements or names) be falsified by an attacker. Unless you are just reading the article to waste time, and magically what you read will not influence your views.

[–] hirihit640@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I already considered that, and for an untrusted website I already don't trust the content or the scripts. So it doesn't matter if it was modified or not, it's still untrusted.

Facts can be verified with sources you do trust (which should be using HTTPS). Logic can be used to verify others.

[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I already considered that, and for an untrusted website I already don't trust the content or the scripts. So it doesn't matter if it was modified or not, it's still untrusted.

but then why are you reading it? is it cat photos and cooking recipes only? or does it have articles about pricey things you could buy, news, life improvement tips, car and other thing repair docs/advice?

[–] hirihit640@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

A lot of times its tech opinion articles. Stuff like "why AI is bad". And I read the arguments and judge them for myself.