I believe this discussion is important, just the other day I was sad about people colluding inference and training like if both were having the same carbon footprint. I am not defending Sam Altman or anyone else. But we need to look at the facts for what they're. Running a quantized local model, accepting latency and all, can make your use of LLMs as low as playing video games. I already said that in the past, and I only got downvoted. Maybe because everyone is hurt bout this technology, which is having detrimental consequences. I am not saying there aren't any problems... but I am accepting the world for what it is, as GPT4 has said ~3 years ago: confetti has left the cannon.

So, we need to deal with this reality. The training done on data like open source code, or even copyrighted materials, will always be a debt.

Just like colonialism. And yet, we are not hating each other for "simple" stuff like eating chocolate or drinking coffee which is most often than not unethically sourced. OR the minerals that make our electronic devices..

Again, it's not that I am vouching to ignore the issues. But I rather have us take the conversation as a debate or dilemma. Not just start attacking one another.

This all seems like that caricature of a vegan that hates the vegetarians for eating some cheese.

Look at the common ground. Here, on lemmy, more often than anywhere else, we have a big chunk of values and ethics in common.

[–] harrison_fnord@reddthat.com 8 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Every time someone fires a confetti cannon I have to stay one or two hours longer after closing and clean that shit up. Every piece of it.

I do not want It everywhere and it can be a hazard If it goes in the wrong places.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 7 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

Fighting local models is playing right into enshittification, though.

They WANT people to be scared of "AI." They want people to keep talking about it as this existential anthropomorphized danger, not a tool theyve enshittified.

Because the thing that keeps Altman/Modi up at night is the proliferation of trifty, dirt cheap open weights models. Ones presented as tools, not intelligence. And every bit people rail against them is more ammunition to regulate those open models away, so they have a monopoly.

[–] harrison_fnord@reddthat.com 3 points 16 hours ago

I was just talking about confetti. I only fight drunks. Don't care what everybody does on their computer at home.