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‘I hate Democrats, but I love Abdul’: voters who left over Gaza return for progressive push (www.theguardian.com)

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[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Figure out how to continue treating them like people with understandable sorrow about the genocide in Gaza, or keep losing

True.

But there's more than one perspective. Do you, as a political party or government as a whole, abandon an ally you have all sorts of ties with because a sub-section of your voters don't like that country anymore? I mean the answer is yes if you know you'll lose enough voters to lose elections, but there's no way they could have known that.

The proper method is to start drawing lines with the ally and see if they cross them. Biden essentially did that. Maybe not as aggressive as necessary. He did verbally state he was against what Israel was doing. He did float arms shipment cancellations to Israel. He did try to broker a peace deal. These were reasonable steps. What was unreasonable was a ton of voters expecting a full disconnection from Israel or they would not vote or vote 3rd party, which would only help a much, much worse president from taking control and giving Israel/Netanyahu two big thumbs up to do whatever they wanted.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 1 points 4 days ago

Do you, as a political party or government as a whole, abandon an ally you have all sorts of ties with because a sub-section of your voters don't like that country anymore?

Given the, you know, genocide, the answer is "yes.*

but there's no way they could have known that.

Yeah, it's not like there was a whole mass movement saying exactly that.

The proper method is to start drawing lines with the ally and see if they cross them.

Which they did, every single time. Where are the consequences?

He did verbally state he was against what Israel was doing. He did float arms shipment cancellations to Israel. He did try to broker a peace deal. These were reasonable steps.

Ronald Reagan got the IDF to stop firing on Beirut after a 20 minute phone call. That's a reasonable step; what Biden did was theater.