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    [–] chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

    Roughly speaking, it is because it does not follow the Unix philosophy and proposes to do several tasks making the code very complex and therefore more susceptible to bugs.

    [–] epat@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (1 children)

    But systemd is not a single tool, nor a single binary, it's a collection of tools.

    [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

    I believe their retort would be "name one thing systemd does well"

    [–] taladar@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

    That is a bit like asking "name one thing that coreutils does well" or "name one thing GNU does well".

    [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

    The joke being "systemd does everything poorly". First heard someone say this about X and Wayland. People were saying Wayland violated Unix philosophy and the speaker said "name one thing X does well" lol.

    [–] taladar@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago

    Systemd might not be perfect but it certainly does every single thing init scripts did better than any init script.

    [–] frippa@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

    Don't the Linux kernel or the GNU core utils violate unix philosophy too? Philosophical ideas become outdated, there aren't many presocratics around.

    [–] smollittlefrog 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

    The linux kernel unfortunately does not follow unix philosophy.

    It would be better in various ways if the linux kernel used a micro kernel architecture following the unix philosophy, something Torwalds acknowledged in the past.

    Philosophical ideas being lost does not mean they're outdated.

    [–] frippa@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

    How old in the past did Linus acknowledge it? my source says he dislikes/disliked microkernel, it dates to 2001 ,if you have a more recent source proving that he no longer thinks it I'll look at it

    The source is this

    Unfortunately I can't remember the timestamp, but it's right around when he starts speaking about when the MINIX creator bashed him, IIRC (not to bash on you, but this implies the point you're making, that Linux shouldn't have a monolithic kernel is 30 years old,)

    [–] MeanEYE@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

    As opposed to which other tools that respect Unix philosophy. Philosophy which I might add is severely outdated. That could have been a thing when you have simple command line interfaces but pretty much every application today violates that philosophy and nothing of value was lost.