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[–] AstralPath@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Then opt in. We shouldn't have to opt out to avoid padding the AI numbers.

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Its a generalized product targeting average people. Average people dont care AI/No AI they want the results and they use the AI summaries. If DDG hid it then they would just think it doesnt exist and go use google which provides them faster more convenient results.

[–] Jtotheb@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

We’re talking about the same duckduckgo that had a huge poll about this right? The only data point that exists regarding what people want is that of the 175,354 users who took the poll, only 10% wanted AI features.

And I bet those 10% were willing to opt in. Fucking sloppers incapable of giving a shit about truth. They want to kill the very concept. They're literally enemies of truth. Even fucking skeletor didn't hate the fucking concept of truth.

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 0 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Yes we are talking about ddg which has roughly 100 million users and put out a poll to which 175k said they didnt want AI.

[–] Jtotheb@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

What’s neat about an open poll like the one they ran is that it includes most of the people who care about weighing in. Maybe you can read an AI summary about statistically relevant sample sizes? It might be more useful to learn about the math, or to skip the summary and find a useful website, like this calculator from Qualtrics that will show you that a sample size of 175,000 is more than 10 times what you’d need to achieve a roughly 99% level of confidence with a 1% margin of error.

[–] unknownuserunknownlocation@kbin.earth 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You're assuming that everyone who didn't answer the poll is for AI, not exactly a good assumption considering the poll results.

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Im not making that assumption at all.

[–] unknownuserunknownlocation@kbin.earth 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You're constantly arguing that the sample is so strongly skewed against your position that the proportion of people who want AI is over 4 times (!) as much as in the sample. "Everyone" is an exaggeration, but the point remains. If you believe the sample is that skewed, then you have to provide evidence.

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 1 points 57 minutes ago

Thats not what I'm arguing. I'm saying most people dont care enough either way and based off research and polling ive seen that most people do use the features. So if most people use them and only a tiny fraction wants them gone you should keep them default and give those people a toggle.

When I'm saying 175k out of 100m I'm pointing out that its a tiny % of the user base. The people who were engaged enough to vote in that poll were the anti AI people. It was posted to all the anti AI subreddits and twitter feeds. It was a big call to action to try and prove no one wants it.

Its obviously where search is heading which is why ddg mentions in their blogs that they are working heavily on AI features. They have always been receptive to users so unlike google so they do give users the option to disable. If they had data that most were disabling we'd see that be the default.

[–] cageythree@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Also, in my experience people who dislike AI features are often more tech-savvy in my experience. And tech-savvy people tend to know "hidden" subdomains such as "noai." and how to change the default engine's URL string whereas non-savvy tend to not know that.

So even if the majority would be against these AI features it might make more sense to make AI the default and noai opt-in. Because you'd lose more non-savvy people having no-AI as default than you lose tech-savvy people with having AI as default (I assume).

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 1 points 1 day ago

Maybe im to tech-brained but I dont think its a technical barrier. I think that they just dont care enough. One search of "how to remove AI from DDG" would bring it up but they never care about the issue enough to take that first step.

I sometimes observe this with my family members, who will complain "oh I dont like how it does X" and I say you can turn that off in the settings and then they dont. It was a minor complain they had but not an actual complain they wanted to solve.

Maybe DDG should do the firefox route of a popup to disable all AI for new users.