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i think one thing people miss is that counter culture movements sometimes win people over in the worst ways and they get really extreme ideas, or really extreme people get spun up in them and become little evil vorticies of power and influence. The sixties spawned the civil rights movement, peace movement. It also created the Manson family. There's a sort of yin and yang to these things IMO, creation and destruction. It's like a period of high energy and change and that can get used in many creative and destructive ways.
Some people see today as terrible and think socialism will fix it. Others, fascism. Two people agree that current leaders are failing, but for different reasons. And when everyone is demanding change, you can get some dangerous people to pop out of the wood work.
People like Musk and Thiel grow up in free thinking environments and in counter culture meccas and are a direct result of that energy. They dont run counter to it. They are a product of it.
There are complexities. Sure. Pushing new ideas is always complicated, and shitty people can do shitty things with them.
The Manson family was hoover's baby. Not that they're innocent, but they had help sucking that much.
None of that is this. The counter culture hasn't been there for decades; what's left is aesthetic remnants.
Thiel grew up in a Nazi cult. I think in south Africa? There were swastikas on the flags in his school. Musk is from south africa-during apartheid. They're not from fucking San Francisco. You're trying to make a point about how too much freedom is bad sometimes. I've got complex feelings, but your point is totally unsupported by facts on display here.
The point of what I said is that they're not genuinely from/of there, its just the cultural milleiu they knew in their 20s. They pulled the fucking aesthetics and nothing else, and they're getting stupid(er) because even the fucking aesthetics were too much for them.
lol no i'm not at all making a point about freedom being bad. No idea how you got that.
How did "the 60s" create the Manson family?
We've had literally countless (often more) grisly and bizarre murders since Manson. No reason it should be any more notable.
But I guess giving it some kind of mystical import helps you make an argument
The idea that the entire country was on the razors edge of a "race ware" in which the "coloreds" were going to topple American society was very much a product of the media in the 1960s designed specifically to terrify the white folks into opposing the civil rights movement and was the founding principal of Manson's entire plan.
That was a product of their LSD-addled brains.
I mean. Sure, they were addled because the CIA was dumping LSD all over the country and it just totally coincidentally served the narrative that kept money going into the military industrial complex.
That aside it was a narrative that was pushed by the media into every home in the United States.
Did you really add a 'fascism bad, socialism also bad' in an edit? You're just a fuckin Nazi aren't you?