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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/72685299

I discovered this after upgrading our instance yesterday, which also upgraded all frontends to their latest versions as well. After I did, our Tesseract frontend stopped working and I noticed immediately as it's been my primary for a while. Initially I thought it was an API version mismatch, but no, it was much worse.

Someone pointed out that the developer of the frontend added an explicit hidden and unmodifiably blacklist which includes any and all instances to the left of Kissinger. There's a commit which also explains their specious reasoning about our instance specifically, as it seems we've been on their shit list for a bit longer than that.

This instance and its admin staff encourages identity politics, groupthink, mob mentality, and extremist solutions to societal problems. Users who advocate violence are not moderated so long as the admins agree with the target. Caution and critical thinking are advised when interacting with this instance or its users.

When you use tesseract to connect to one blacklisted such instance , you just get a message informing you that Tesseract is "incompatible with that instance" which leads one to think of a technical issue, like an API mismatch, rather than the dev being an opinionated coward.

Isn't it funny how all the software developed by turbolibs, like Piefed and Tesseract, end up with hidden control mechanisms from developers who think they know better than everyone else? That they don't just think they deserve to tell you what you should think, but they should manipulate you to think it? Isn't it funny how libs go on about how bad it is to support lemmy due to the ideology of the devs behind it, and yet lemmy has 0 opinions as a software? It does make one think...

Anyway, I forked - it as one does - and disabled the blacklist, but since this is a massively ideologically compromised software, I'll doubt I'll keep this frontend up after Lemmy 1.0. I think we'll bring up mlmym again now that someone's maintaining it again.

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[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago (4 children)

And here I am, going WTF is a piefed?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

A platform similar to Lemmy, but with an explicit ideological stance against communists, who are the main Lemmy devs (and the Lemmy devs, because of their belief in communism, adhere more closely to FOSS and federation, with less hard-coded bias as PieFed).

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

For those to lazy to make block lists?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

More ideologically driven, the Dev of PieFed wants to reduce exposure to leftists.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

With the users being unaware or is it marketed that way?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There have been a few fiascos about it. It isn't exactly unknown, but it isn't exactly advertised either.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Cryptic..

(Is someone just downvoting every comment you make?)

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 weeks ago

People downvote troll my account sometimes, because I'm a vocal communist.

[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Tankies specifically. Not all leftists are tankies, stop pretending otherwise

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If I were to give my own definition of what constitutes a tankie, I’d say it’s anyone who defends existing socialist states, past or present. Those socialist states are generally understood to be the USSR, PRC, Cuba, Vietnam, Laos, DPRK, GDR, etc. The defense tankies give is not in accepting both bourgeois historiography as accurate but justified, but instead in directly combatting bourgeois historiography. Tankie is also a pejorative for these people, used to convey the strawman of the person that believes the lies of the Red Scare but believes them to be justified.

In that case, I am definitely a tankie. I spend a good deal of time talking about socialism both past and present, and arguing for how we can expand that movement and carry it to the future. I am definitely a defender of socialist states, I just don’t believe the common allegations such as “100 million were killed by communism” are at all accurate. I don’t think you’ll find someone who believes the 100 million number but also thinks it’s good and justified.

It’s also useful to understand it in this manner because it explains why even anarchists and liberals are called “tankie.” The throughline about defending existing socialism is the central identifier of a tankie, and the use of tankie to dismiss those who defend socialism as it exists in the real world is also covered by this understanding.

[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"If I use a different definition than what everyone else uses I can bend it to my beliefs"

This is why you tankies aren't liked by a lot of people.

Authleft are tankies, it's VERY simple.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The definition I gave is the one that makes the most practical sense, and is a better identification for a group we both know exists. It's why anarchists and liberals are often also called tankies from time to time, and it's situational, it relates directly to support for existing socialist states. Further, tankies are liked by billions. China is seen very positively around the world, especially by its own people. Even in the US, the Black Panther Party is one of the most beloved political parties in history. Tankies are rising in popularity, not decreasing.

You say that "authleft" is simple for describing tankies, but how does that account for the anarchists and liberals that people call tankie? Is your point that all of them are secretly "authleft?" Further, what is authleft, just support for socialism with a state? If so, then the vast majority of the left is unquestionably "tankie," leaving only the anarchists as non-tankie leftists. Further, it again erases the anarchists and liberals called tankie!

[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The definition I gave is the one that makes the most practical sense, and is a better identification for a group we both know exists.

Your definition is wrong and clearly being used to shift the meaning of a long-defined word. Which is some classic tankie shit.

how does that account for the anarchists and liberals that people call tankie?

If you're actually stupid enough to be serious asking this then oof, lol.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

How is the definition I gave wrong? You keep stating this but offer no actual explanation. Further, again, you dodge my question regarding anarchists and liberals called "tankies" for supporting socialist states, and just call me stupid for doing so. Why can't you answer? I can't imagine this attitude is useful for your real life organizing efforts, assuming you do actually organize.

[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

How is the definition I gave wrong?

Google's right there AND I defined it already. You're pretty stupid, eh?

Further, again, you dodge my question

How dare I keep the conversation on topic, right?

[–] TragicNotCute@lemmy.world -2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I really don’t care if you two want to argue all week, but be respectful and don’t call names or I’ll have to take action.

[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Didn't call anyone names, called a stupid person stupid. Keep up, simple shit

[–] TragicNotCute@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago

Banned for a day because of the name calling across multiple comments.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You didn't explain how I'm wrong, though. You've not yet engaged with what I said. If we are going strictly by dictionary definitions, then it would only apply to British communists that supported suppressing the Hungarian counter-revolt, and I'm not British so I can't be a tankie by that definition. Every other definition beyond that original one is an attempt to understand how it is used colloquially, since it has clearly broadened in scope, and I answered that well in my opinion.

[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You didn’t explain how I’m wrong, though.

Gave you the definition of the word. That's all you should need if you can read

You’ve not yet engaged with what I said.

Because I'm not an idiot who falls for tankie bullshit. Keep on topic: tankie isn't a replacement word for leftists and never has been.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I never said "tankie is a replacement word for leftists," I said it's a pejorative for those who support existing socialist states. Your definition, as I explained in the other comment, is horrendously subjective and ill-defined. "Authoritarian" isn't an objective term, and moreover it means that anarchists that get called "tankie" are suddenly "authoritarian," when most who use the word authoritarian would not consider anarchists to be such.

The reason it makes sense to acknowledge that tankies are whoever defends and supports existing socialist states is because it objectively covers the vast majority of people who would be called tankie, without applying to those who would not be. It's an objective definition and clearly defined.

[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I never said “tankie is a replacement word for leftists,”

I never said you said that. You are amazingly bad at the language you're using.

Authoritarian” isn’t an objective term,

Tankies and being retards so they don't feel bad, classic

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 weeks ago

You directly implied it by stating the following:

Keep on topic: tankie isn't a replacement word for leftists and never has been.

That's straight from you, the implication being that this is my position, which it isn't. Either way, "authoritarian" is not an objective and measurable term, being ableist doesn't improve your point.

[–] Sandbar_Trekker@piefed.zip 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

It's similar to Lemmy, but with more features and has better integration with Mastodon.

  • Edit -
    Some specific features that PieFed has:
  • Support for Posts with Polls
  • Ability to follow users (including Mastodon users that aren't specifically tagging a community in the threadiverse)
  • Feeds (combine multiple communities into a "feed" )
  • If a post has been cross-posted, comments from every community are shown/organized below the post.
  • Post/user flairs
[–] OpenStars@discuss.online -5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Downvoted for helpfully answering a question, only on ~~Reddit~~ Lemmy.

[–] Sandbar_Trekker@piefed.zip 3 points 1 month ago

Yeah, it happens. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I probably could have been more helpful by listing out some specific features, so I went back and edited them in.

[–] Nindelofocho@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

It’s where you are Fed a Pie

[–] sudoer777@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

a Lemmy alternative, which based on their blocklist puts more empasis on the "fed" part than the "pie" part