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I'm probably going to get a lot of explanations in the comments (lemmy.world)

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[-] TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 146 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm going to create a distro where EVERYTHING including your web browser is launched through systemd and it's built from nothing but snaps, just for you guys. I'll call it "Oops! All snaps."

[-] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 81 points 1 year ago

Sounds great. SnapOS.

[-] TrenchcoatFullofBats@belfry.rip 66 points 1 year ago

ThanOS

[-] superduperenigma@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago

What the hell? Half of the bytes on my drive are missing!

[-] LordOfTheChia@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

It should have a custom desktop environment called Crackle (or Krackle if KDE based).

[-] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

System sounds are snaps, cracks and pops.

[-] LordOfTheChia@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Just have to patch in the Linux sound drivers from the 90s!

[-] Espi@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

SnapOS sounds better than the current hybrid that is Ubuntu.

It seems like that is where Canonical wants to end up anyways, its going to be very weird to see a non Debian Ubuntu.

[-] CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago

You could call it... Ubuntu 24.10 the way things are going lol

[-] someacnt@sopuli.xyz 15 points 1 year ago

What's with all the systemd hate? It seems to work well for me..

[+] histy@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

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[-] Rodeo@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago

Don't forget the development issues. Last I read up on this was several years ago, so things may have changed, but:

It's open source, but it's entirely controlled by a handful of people who work for RedHat, and they don't publish any of their communications about development nor any supporting material like code documentation. It's a massive complicated codebase and they've made no effort to make it accessible, nor do they allow contributions from anyone outside the RedHat team, so it remains a closed black box controlled by a private, for profit corporation.

It's open source in the worst way possible.

[-] namingthingsiseasy@programming.dev 8 points 1 year ago

Another problem is that there is (or was, I don’t follow these things) friction between the Kernel and systemd, as systemd developers did not respect certain development philosophies.

More information on this here:

When systemd sees "debug" as part of the kernel command-line, it will spit out so much informaiton about the system that it fails to boot... The init system just collapses the system with too much information being sent to the dmesg when seeing the debug option as part of the kernel command-line parameter. Within the systemd bug report it was suggested for systemd not to look for a simple "debug" string to go into its debug mode but perhaps something like "systemd.debug" or other namespaced alternatives. The debug kernel command-line parameter has been used by upstream Linux kernel developers for many years. However, upstream systemd developers don't agree about changing their debug code detection. Kay Sievers of Red Hat wrote, "Generic terms are generic, not the first user owns them."

tl;dr: systemd parsed kernel command line information; when "debug" was present, systemd enabled logging that was so verbose that it would cause the system to become unbootable. systemd developers were notified of the issue and started acting passive aggressive instead of fixing the issue.

Or to put it more simply: if you make changes that cause Linus Torvalds' system to stop booting properly, you're probably gonna have a bad time.

[-] CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Oh SNAP!

[-] bastion@feddit.nl 6 points 1 year ago

Chaotic evil

[-] Magnetar@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago

I want an OS where every application is a web app, each packaged with their own browser running in docker in a snap.

[-] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 4 points 1 year ago

The systemd devs should create a desktop environment so they can make an entire distro with nothing but systemd from bootloader to screensaver.

[-] Espi@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

I'm personally waiting for kerneld

[-] LupertEverett@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

desktopd here we goooooooooo

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago

That's the actual plan. They are working on moving system components like cups to a snap

[-] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

Just got to hope that Canonical will host all of the software for it on their Snap repository (singular) I don't think they'd object to it but that is a big issue with snap, you can't add other repositories and the server code isn't open source.